At Eglinton-Don Mills, there is no preexisting rapid transit stations of any kind. The designers should consider TODAY creating plans for proper interchange or transfer stations for the Crosstown LRT's Don Mills station AND the Don Mills Relief Line's Eglinton East station.

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Transferring using cross-platform interchange stations could be used at Don Mills & Eglinton East, especially with all those parking lots just waiting to be dug up.

At least make the station boxes for BOTH now, and cut-and-cover tunnels that can handle BOTH light rail and heavy rail. Once the decision is made on the form of rapid transit for Don Mills, small changes can then be done at that time.
 

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Maybe I just lack imagination, but the stations intersect at almost right angles, how would you achieve this while not precluding the ability to extend the DRL northwards at a later date?
 
dunkalunk said:
Maybe I just lack imagination, but the stations intersect at almost right angles, how would you achieve this while not precluding the ability to extend the DRL northwards at a later date?
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The rapid transit lines do not have to follow the roadway at that intersection. Being underground, the lines can veer off (even under the current parking lots) so they go diagonally under the intersection and then return to the straight route under the roadway after the stations.

St. George Station could be have been a cross-platform station if ALL the platforms were on the same level, if there had been space available. Eglinton East-Don Mills has the space for shallow depth cross-platform stations. Or they could clone the St. George station design with one line under another.

Better than a Bloor-Yonge design for an interchange station design for that intersection at Eglinton East-Don Mills.
 
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W. K. Lis said:
The rapid transit lines do not have to follow the roadway at that intersection. Being underground, the lines can veer off (even under the current parking lots) so they go diagonally under the intersection and then return to the straight route under the roadway after the stations.

St. George Station could be have been a cross-platform station if ALL the platforms were on the same level, if there had been space available. Eglinton East-Don Mills has the space for shallow depth cross-platform stations. Or they could clone the St. George station design with one line under another.

Better than a Bloor-Yonge design for an interchange station design for that intersection at Eglinton East-Don Mills.
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If they could copy Montreal's Lionel-Groulx and Snowdon stations which are actually brilliant. Too bad St.Georges wasn't built that way


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Lionel-Groulx

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Perhaps something like this would be good for Eglinton-Don Mills:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=202916933038239064265.0004ec6e55cee99aab590

The above diagram is pretty crude but you should get the idea.

The platforms could be stacked (and tunnels twist) with Eglinton EB above Eglinton WB and Don Mills NB above Don Mills SB so you'd have a cross-platform transfer between Eglinton EB and Don Mills NB on the upper level and between Eglinton WB and Don Mills SB on the lower level.

Very similar to Lionel-Groulx and it would be a thing of beauty. Could even work if Eglinton is LRT and Don Mills is subway or if both lines are the same.
 

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I can see the following station setup working:

Surface
Bus Terminal on NE corner with fare-paid area

Level One: Concourse
Public and Fare Paid Areas
Rough-outs for tunnels to potential development on the four corners

Level Two: Eglinton LRT
Centre Platform oriented parallel to Eglinton Ave

Level Three: DRL Subway
Side Platforms oriented at 70 degrees to Eglinton Ave

Stairs and escalators would connect all levels. There would be a total of 2 elevators:
The first connecting the surface bus terminal to the fare-paid concourse, Eglinton LRT platform, and Northbound DRL platform
The second connecting the fare-paid concourse to the Eglinton LRT platform and SB DRL platform.

Having separate platforms for NB and SB DRL trains will help distribute foot traffic through the complex.

Level 3 would be built as an empty concrete box to limit the impact of DRL construction on the existing station.
 
Ozman said:
Perhaps something like this would be good for Eglinton-Don Mills:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=202916933038239064265.0004ec6e55cee99aab590

The above diagram is pretty crude but you should get the idea.

The platforms could be stacked (and tunnels twist) with Eglinton EB above Eglinton WB and Don Mills NB above Don Mills SB so you'd have a cross-platform transfer between Eglinton EB and Don Mills NB on the upper level and between Eglinton WB and Don Mills SB on the lower level.

Very similar to Lionel-Groulx and it would be a thing of beauty. Could even work if Eglinton is LRT and Don Mills is subway or if both lines are the same.
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That is exactly what I propose. Avoid cloning the Bloor-Yonge transfer station setup. The Montréal Metro transfers are better.
 
dunkalunk said:
I can see the following station setup working:

Surface
Bus Terminal on NE corner with fare-paid area

Level One: Concourse
Public and Fare Paid Areas
Rough-outs for tunnels to potential development on the four corners

Level Two: Eglinton LRT
Centre Platform oriented parallel to Eglinton Ave

Level Three: DRL Subway
Side Platforms oriented at 70 degrees to Eglinton Ave

Stairs and escalators would connect all levels. There would be a total of 2 elevators:
The first connecting the surface bus terminal to the fare-paid concourse, Eglinton LRT platform, and Northbound DRL platform
The second connecting the fare-paid concourse to the Eglinton LRT platform and SB DRL platform.

Having separate platforms for NB and SB DRL trains will help distribute foot traffic through the complex.

Level 3 would be built as an empty concrete box to limit the impact of DRL construction on the existing station.
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The Level One Concourse can have tunnels to the Ontario Science Centre, Celestica, and Real Canadian Superstore.
 
Johnny Au said:
The Level One Concourse can have tunnels to the Ontario Science Centre, Celestica, and Real Canadian Superstore.
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I personally think that's selling the potential of this corner short. The pedestrian tunnels connecting to the station really ought to be constructed by developers looking to capitalize on the increased land value of that corner, and not connect to existing low-rise uses.

By all means, if Celestica or Loblaws or the Ontario Government wants to put up the cash to construct tunnells, then there's no reason it should not be allowed, but I'd hope that they instead try to sell off some of the massive parking lots in front of those buildings instead. Tunnels would be nice but ultimately, they'd be longer than they would need to be.

One thing that would be neat however would be if the science centre were to construct a moving sidewalk to their front door, they could turn it into some sort of exhibit, particularly if the walkway were to become exposed to the Don Valley Ravine. It would tie in nicely to what already exists.

(aside: when did the OSC get on streetview?)
 
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Build an underground roundabout that would stop at all four corners and keep everything at the same level. Everybody gets a one seat ride no matter where they are coming from or where they are going.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Can the subway run through Greenwood? Straight shot to Thorncliffe Park rather than a curve
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That's exactly what TTC's 1973 DRL plan showed wasn't it? Down Donlands, then down the west side of Greenwood yard.

See below from Steve Munro's website:



This is little changed from their February 1967 drawings for the Queen subway - almost half-a-century ago.

 
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