I think the neigbourhood should be aware of the potential changes - above ground doesn't have to be bad by default - and hold Metrolinx to account iff they didn't ameliorate the impact. Subways not elevated structure is a little too simplistic.

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AlvinofDiaspar said:
I think the neigbourhood should be award of the potential changes - above ground doesn't have to be bad by default - and hold Metrolinx to account iff they didn't ameliorate the impact. Subways not elevated structure is a little too simplistic.

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Unfortunately this kind of response/approach should be expected at this point - especially after a decade of Fords telling everyone certain parts of the city 'deserve' subways and that above ground transit is bad for the community/drivers.
 
Hopkins123 said:
The Toronto Star equates "quality journalism"? I think I just spat out my drink.
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There was a point when this would have been true. Unfortunately, ever since Rob Ford became Mayor, they've been solely focused on "gotcha" journalism and are more concerned about stirring the pot than actually providing the facts sot hat the reader can make their own decisions. Can't really blame them though, the way the entire news landscape is it's really down to each individual to sift through the news and come up with their own conclusions rather than taking articles at face value anymore. Also, it feels like the news cycle is so fast-paced now that even when media outlets get it wrong, everybody has already moved on to the next story and there's no repercussions for providing erroneous information. So instead of journalists, it feels like the Toronto Star is run by a group of bloggers that are slightly more serious than Blog TO.
 
BMO said:
There was a point when this would have been true. Unfortunately, ever since Rob Ford became Mayor, they've been solely focused on "gotcha" journalism and are more concerned about stirring the pot than actually providing the facts sot hat the reader can make their own decisions. Can't really blame them though, the way the entire news landscape is it's really down to each individual to sift through the news and come up with their own conclusions rather than taking articles at face value anymore. Also, it feels like the news cycle is so fast-paced now that even when media outlets get it wrong, everybody has already moved on to the next story and there's no repercussions for providing erroneous information. So instead of journalists, it feels like the Toronto Star is run by a group of bloggers that are slightly more serious than Blog TO.
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The Toronto Star is just as tabloid and sensationalist as the Toronto Sun/Postmedia, only the Left pretends as if it's a real journalistic outfit just because it espouses opinions (emphasis on opinions) from their worldview.
 
syn said:
Unfortunately this kind of response/approach should be expected at this point - especially after a decade of Fords telling everyone certain parts of the city 'deserve' subways and that above ground transit is bad for the community/drivers.
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One only need look at a map of the City to see that within the Old Toronto's boundaries harbor far more subway stops than Scarborough's lowly three. That someone in Morningside Hts or West Rouge is spending an hour just to get to Kennedy or Don Mills Stations, much less downtown. These are the forgotten people the SSE (and Sheppard Subway) projects seek to address.

Not Ford's fault the administrations prior to him sat on their hands for 15 years and gave Scarborough absolutely nothing at all. And now their "subway champion" wants to be Premier. Lol!
 
Hopkins123 said:
One only need look at a map of the City to see that within the Old Toronto's boundaries harbor far more subway stops than Scarborough's lowly three. That someone in Morningside Hts or West Rouge is spending an hour just to get to Kennedy or Don Mills Stations, much less downtown. These are the forgotten people the SSE (and Sheppard Subway) projects seek to address.

Not Ford's fault the administrations prior to him sat on their hands for 15 years and gave Scarborough absolutely nothing at all. And now their "subway champion" wants to be Premier. Lol!
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You missed the part where Mike Harris killed the eastern half of the Sheppard Subway which would have connected to Scarborough Town Centre as part of the old Metro planning scheme of building up the suburban city centres. That would have doubled the number of subway stops in Scarborough and would have been operating for 15 years now.
 
AlbertHWagstaff said:
You missed the part where Mike Harris killed the eastern half of the Sheppard Subway which would have connected to Scarborough Town Centre as part of the old Metro planning scheme of building up the suburban city centres. That would have doubled the number of subway stops in Scarborough and would have been operating for 15 years now.
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I believe the decision was made during the Rae era to build two truncated lines instead of one long one. We ended up with one truncated line and unused buried support at Eg west which was removed for the crosstown. Mike Harris just killed Eg West.
 
Hopkins123 said:
One only need look at a map of the City to see that within the Old Toronto's boundaries harbor far more subway stops than Scarborough's lowly three. That someone in Morningside Hts or West Rouge is spending an hour just to get to Kennedy or Don Mills Stations, much less downtown. These are the forgotten people the SSE (and Sheppard Subway) projects seek to address.

Not Ford's fault the administrations prior to him sat on their hands for 15 years and gave Scarborough absolutely nothing at all. And now their "subway champion" wants to be Premier. Lol!
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Yes, that's because the Old City of Toronto has far greater density.

If Scarborough had a sensible plan for growth when they were their own city then they might have more subway stops at this point. Unfortunately, they chose a suburban development path.

Scarborough also voted, overwhelmingly, for the RT.

That's not anyone's fault but their own.
 
syn said:
Yes, that's because the Old City of Toronto has far greater density.

If Scarborough had a sensible plan for growth when they were their own city then they might have more subway stops at this point. Unfortunately, they chose a suburban development path.

Scarborough also voted, overwhelmingly, for the RT.

That's not anyone's fault but their own.
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Thanks for the correction. It's amazing how many people believe it's some conspiracy to deprive the suburbs of subways.
 
asher__jo said:
Thanks for the correction. It's amazing how many people believe it's some conspiracy to deprive the suburbs of subways.
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The main irony is that Old Toronto (East York in particular) is technically part of the suburbs. Sure, they're streetcar suburbs, but suburbs nonetheless.
 
asher__jo said:
Thanks for the correction. It's amazing how many people believe it's some conspiracy to deprive the suburbs of subways.
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It's all the more rich when you consider that it's been several decades since there's been any subway expansion in the old city, where the system is overloaded. All the expansion in that time has been suburban.

One reason RER is so needed is that it might just get people to realize that subways aren't always the answer in suburban areas.
 
MisterF said:
It's all the more rich when you consider that it's been several decades since there's been any subway expansion in the old city, where the system is overloaded. All the expansion in that time has been suburban.

One reason RER is so needed is that it might just get people to realize that subways aren't always the answer in suburban areas.
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Agreed, the relief line has been planned for over 3 decades! And to anyone that wants suburban subways, the only way they are vaguely viable is if they start in the core and are extended outwards...but then again that's kinda what GO transit is for when frequencies are expanded to every 15 minutes.
 
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