Northern Light said:
From article at The Star:

The Ontario line would use smaller trains than TTC subways that could be driverless, and could run on elevated tracks on parts of the route, including crossing the Don River. The government said that although the trains would be smaller, the line would “have similar peak capacity” as the TTC’s existing Line 1 subway.

www.thestar.com

Ford promises $10.9-billion Ontario Line will be built by 2027 — leaving experts, politicians looking for details

Doug Ford’s government is also proposing to build the Yonge North subway extension, estimated at $5.6 billion, a three-stop Scarborough subway extension at $5.5 billion, and an extension of the Eglinton Crosstown to Pearson Airport at $4.7 billion as part of a $28.5-billion transit plan.
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Are we basically getting an RT based Relief Line?

The DRL needs a full subway solution.
 
BejewelledCarp said:
So, to clarify, the DRL will be cheaper because it won't be tunneled in part downtown, and the Eglinton and Scarborough extensions in the suburbs will be tunneled. That seems backwards.
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Completely backwards.

Tunneled and integrated in the suburbs, lower capacity in the city.

Curious to see the details.

I don't mind it going to Ontario Place, but it would make much more sense to cut that out and extend it north to Don Mills.
 
Tuck said:
Extending the line to Ontario place is dumb. As is trashing years of design work. Glad it has a funding commitment up to Eglinton, though
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At least the fact it goes from Ontario Place to the OSC explains how they came up with the name which otherwise just seemed like an opportunity for the province to brand the line as its own.

As a map, it's not a bad plan. Especially from a Ford, could be worse.
But between the funding and the politics involved - and the undoing/needs for revision to previously done work - the timelines are as suspect as any other nice map I've seen over the years.
If it's actually built by 2030, I'll have to take back a lot of things I've said about Doug but, really, what are the odds this any different than any other great announcement?

(And as to whether Ontario Place makes sense as a terminal... It doesn't in that there is not much there. It does in terms of better connecting Liberty Village and that node, particularly if one is trying to incentive revitalization/redevelopment of the CNE and Ontario Place grounds. We all know the transit and other connections to Ontario Place are poor so I'm not going to complain about tying it to closely into the central network, even if it seems "premature" or "political" today.)
 
The line runs from Ontario Place to OSC just so that he can call it the Ontario line. That's all you need to know about Doug Ford.

The city needing to cough up $11B seems like all that is needed to put the brakes on this plan.
 
A 90 degree turn from queen to bathurst... and another one around bathurst / lakeshore... thatll be fun to see how that works
 
TJ O'Pootertoot said:
At least the fact it goes from Ontario Place to the OSC explains how they came up with the name which otherwise just seemed like an opportunity for the province to brand the line as its own.

As a map, it's not a bad plan. Especially from a Ford, could be worse.
But between the funding and the politics involved - and the undoing/needs for revision to previously done work - the timelines are as suspect as any other nice map I've seen over the years.
If it's actually built by 2030, I'll have to take back a lot of things I've said about Doug but, really, what are the odds this any different than any other great announcement?

(And as to whether Ontario Place makes sense as a terminal... It doesn't in that there is not much there. It does in terms of better connecting Liberty Village and that node, particularly if one is trying to incentive revitalization/redevelopment of the CNE and Ontario Place grounds. We all know the transit and other connections to Ontario Place are poor so I'm not going to complain about tying it to closely into the central network, even if it seems "premature" or "political" today.)
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A stop at King and Dufferin on the way to Dundas West would serve the same purpose.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
A stop at King and Dufferin on the way to Dundas West would serve the same purpose.
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If we're going to complain about EVERYTHING Doug Ford does, you can pick it apart.
Fact is, everyone knows Ontario Place has major access issues.
Everyone knows that - whether it's a casino or a 21st Century Mixed-Use Neighbourhood - Ontario Place also needs revitalization.
Obviously these things are related.
Given these facts, the idea strikes me as something not worthy of being on the Top 20 list of Dumb Doug Ford ideas.
 
Okay.... the three billion dollar question..... what is the peak capacity of a "smaller" transit line, as compared to peak capacity of a "vanilla" automated TTC subway? What is the projected ridership of the Relief Line in 2040? Is the "smaller" relief line enough capacity?

If it is enough capacity, maybe it's not a bad plan. If it is not.... we are just screwing the next generation who will have to build another line when the LOL line fills up.

- Paul
 
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