W. K. Lis said:
Nice photo of Toronto's City Hall...
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From link.
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And since municipalities are articles of the province with this "Stop whining!" administration, Queens Park are many urban areas' city halls unfortunately. /sigh
 
Sadly, I think it was a doomed idea to think there was ever going to be any saving the trees. Even if the City approves University Park ASAP, Metrolinx was still going to dig a giant hole here to access the station box. It's possible they could still be talked into moving the station entrance before it gets built, that's a long way away, but even in the statements they have made that have been most open to that idea, they were always clear they were going to dig here regardless for the access shaft.
 
tstormers said:
If they are closing Queen St. here for 4 years, why not just tear up more of the road and take that space to dig etc. would be horrible to lose such mature trees DT.
Def need the Subway, but I'm sure there are some good options to save them.
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They claim they're going for the option that makes the most "sense". You know, common sense (Mike Harris style)...cut and gut their way through this. /sigh
 
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What is the reason they're choosing not to use the current entrances to Osgoode Station?

One could use them to access both the University Line and the new Ontario Line. If increased passenger volumes are the issue, there are 4 corners at this intersection and 3 existing exit/entry points to the station. One could use the building on the southwest corner (where Rexall is located) as an exit/entry point instead of the current sidewalk location. Surely, that's preferable to diminishing Osgoode Hall forever? I'd even prefer the narrowing of University Avenue from 3 lanes to 2 lanes to accommodate an enlarged entrance at its present location. It's already 2 lanes outside the Princess Margaret Hospital so there's precedence. Surely, these options makes sense?

Or does their rebuttal it 'makes most sense' to be read as we're doing what's 'easier for us and/or cheaper'? There are better solutions but they require time, effort and/or money.
 
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isaidso said:
What is the reason they're choosing not to use the current entrances to Osgoode Station?

One could use them to access both the University Line and the new Ontario Line. If increased passenger volumes are the issue, there are 4 corners at this intersection and 3 existing exit/entry points to the station. One could use the building on the southwest corner (where Rexall is located) as an exit/entry point instead of the current sidewalk location. Surely, that's preferable to diminishing Osgoode Hall forever? I'd even prefer the narrowing of University Avenue from 3 lanes to 2 lanes to accommodate an enlarged entrance at its present location. It's already 2 lanes outside the Princess Margaret Hospital so there's precedence. Surely, these options makes sense?

Or does their rebuttal it 'makes most sense' to be read as we're doing what's 'easier for us and/or cheaper'? There are better solutions but they require time, effort and/or money.
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Likely they want to create more accessible entrances with elevators. There is currently only one out of the five today. Some of the elevators and entrances will go down directly to the Ontario Line.

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University & Queen West Entrance, Southeast corner (Four Seasons Centre)​

 
isaidso said:
What is the reason they're choosing not to use the current entrances to Osgoode Station?

One could use them to access both the University Line and the new Ontario Line. If increased passenger volumes are the issue, there are 4 corners at this intersection and 3 existing exit/entry points to the station. One could use the building on the southwest corner (where Rexall is located) as an exit/entry point instead of the current sidewalk location. Surely, that's preferable to diminishing Osgoode Hall forever? I'd even prefer the narrowing of University Avenue from 3 lanes to 2 lanes to accommodate an enlarged entrance at its present location. It's already 2 lanes outside the Princess Margaret Hospital so there's precedence. Surely, these options makes sense?

Or does their rebuttal it 'makes most sense' to be read as we're doing what's 'easier for us and/or cheaper'? There are better solutions but they require time, effort and/or money.
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they covered this previously.
the stairwells are way too narrow. If line 1 was built today theres no way the entrances would be that bad.
As for the rexall building, they looked into that too, the engineering for it doesnt work. cant remember exactly why but they did in fact look into it.

we have already covered the university ave option ad nauseum

The even older campbell house on the NW corner and digging under the 4 seasons both present much more complex engineering challenges.

Hence for the price of 6 moved trees they can build a much more modern subway entrance

Also note the 2nd entrance on simcoe at the cibc building
 
generalcanada said:
The even older campbell house on the NW corner and digging under the 4 seasons both present much more complex engineering challenges.
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I wonder how bad it'd really be to just move the house, again. Even if it was just a temporary shuffle.

I'd still prefer to revisit the single-stop "City Hall" interchange to Line 1, but I'd rather disturb Campbell House to Osgoode Hall
 
W. K. Lis said:
Likely they want to create more accessible entrances with elevators. There is currently only one out of the five today. Some of the elevators and entrances will go down directly to the Ontario Line.

View attachment 454044University & Queen West Entrance, Southeast corner (Four Seasons Centre)​

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Honestly, it's really disappointing how there's a group of people don't seem to see value in creating additional accessible entrances. With this station especially, there's been a vibe of "they have one elevator, isn't that enough?". People with mobility issues should have equally seamless access to our transit system as those of us who don't.
 
so heres metrolinx's pr going ham

Metrolinx addresses concerns surrounding future Osgoode Station

Transit agency lays out need for Ontario Line station location & tree removals.
www.metrolinx.com

theres a link to the presentation of that "independent reviewer" of all the other options thought of.
basically the campbell house location is the only other option, which in itself will require advanced studies
 
generalcanada said:
they covered this previously.
the stairwells are way too narrow. If line 1 was built today theres no way the entrances would be that bad.
As for the rexall building, they looked into that too, the engineering for it doesnt work. cant remember exactly why but they did in fact look into it.

we have already covered the university ave option ad nauseum

The even older campbell house on the NW corner and digging under the 4 seasons both present much more complex engineering challenges.

Hence for the price of 6 moved trees they can build a much more modern subway entrance

Also note the 2nd entrance on simcoe at the cibc building
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