When it comes time to rebuild Queen Street, will pedestrianization occur with 2 lanes instead of 4 (hopefully car free), wider sidewalks, quality paving, landscaping, etc? It would be a colossal waste of money if it's rebuilt as the 4 car lane road it's been up till now. This is the perfect opportunity to bring Queen Street into the 21st century like George Street in Sydney.

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I’d love that! I always thought that queen street west, especially between university ave to Spadina was such a wasted opportunity. It’s one of the few stretches in the city where you have an outdoor shopping strip like you see in Europe. I think it would do wonders for the city if it was properly streetscaped and made a pedestrian and transit corridor.
 
I’d love that! I always thought that queen street west, especially between university ave to Spadina was such a wasted opportunity. It’s one of the few stretches in the city where you have an outdoor shopping strip like you see in Europe. I think it would do wonders for the city if it was properly streetscaped and made a pedestrian and transit corridor.
I have often thought (and said) the same thing! And shut it down completely to cars every Sunday like they do with Ginza in Tokyo. 😊
 
When it comes time to rebuild Queen Street, will pedestrianization occur with 2 lanes instead of 4 (hopefully car free), wider sidewalks, quality paving, landscaping, etc? It would be a colossal waste of money if it's rebuilt as the 4 car lane road it's been up till now. This is the perfect opportunity to bring Queen Street into the 21st century like George Street in Sydney.

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You're not the only one who agrees!

In the planning stages, this was brought up many times. Unfortunately, the City of Toronto had little interest in pursuing this; hopefully they will change their mind - given that this is a perfect opportunity with most people having changed their travel habits over 5 years. Though, this did come at the same time that Mayor Tory rejected the acceleration of the University Park concept to preserve the Osgoode Hall site. Maybe new political leadership will help lead the way...
 
In respect of the above, I very much support pedestrianization here, as @adys123 knows.

I think Yonge to Bay and York to University are comparatively easy bits.

Bay to York has some real challenges. You have entrance/exits, including the primary one to City Hall's parking garage.

Removing the south side entry I think is fairly easy, but the capacity of the northside entry can't be made up for with any other existing entrance/exit, so that's a bit more challenging.

I lean to pedestrianizing the two sections I noted, and removing the south side entry to the Green P in the York to Bay block and then doing quality pedestrian realm. Cars would still be permitted in the Bay to York section.

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Something that would allow us to address the remaining block in the future would be to downsize the City Hall garage by dramatically enlarging the secure cycling storage, which has a waiting list to get in. Cut the 1,200 odd parking spaces to 1,000, and add room for another 600 bikes.
 
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Looking at those overhead shots, and can't stop noticing how the stretch of Queen from Yonge to York St. should be pedestrianized, with a transit mall for the streetcar of course. You've got NPS, Old City hall, & Eaton Centre all in a row. Existing buildings to the south already got most service access via Richmond or York. And most importantly, with the current closure, traffic patterns have already adjusted making it an easier political hurdle. James St was already pegged for future pedestrianization which would go well with a pedestrianized stretch of Queen. Hell, I'd even say pedestrianize Bay St. from Albert to Richmond and NPS could grow into its surroundings à la Dam Square in Amsterdam. One can only dream...
 
Looking at those overhead shots, and can't stop noticing how the stretch of Queen from Yonge to York St. should be pedestrianized, with a transit mall for the streetcar of course. You've got NPS, Old City hall, & Eaton Centre all in a row. Existing buildings to the south already got most service access via Richmond or York. And most importantly, with the current closure, traffic patterns have already adjusted making it an easier political hurdle. James St was already pegged for future pedestrianization which would go well with a pedestrianized stretch of Queen. Hell, I'd even say pedestrianize Bay St. from Albert to Richmond and NPS could grow into its surroundings à la Dam Square in Amsterdam. One can only dream...
YES! At minimum, I hope they initiate "pedestrian Sundays" every weekend that close Queen West from Yonge to Spadina of all vehicles except streetcars & bikes (with further expansion up for consideration if it goes well).
 
Looking at those overhead shots, and can't stop noticing how the stretch of Queen from Yonge to York St. should be pedestrianized, with a transit mall for the streetcar of course. You've got NPS, Old City hall, & Eaton Centre all in a row. Existing buildings to the south already got most service access via Richmond or York. And most importantly, with the current closure, traffic patterns have already adjusted making it an easier political hurdle. James St was already pegged for future pedestrianization which would go well with a pedestrianized stretch of Queen. Hell, I'd even say pedestrianize Bay St. from Albert to Richmond and NPS could grow into its surroundings à la Dam Square in Amsterdam. One can only dream...

As discussed by me just a few posts up, I support pedestrianization. It is do-able, from Yonge to Bay, and from York to University, without too much complication.

However, Bay to York is not on, unless you shutter most/all of the City Hall parking garage, which is over 2,000 spaces, and grosses in the range of 8M-10M annually.

The capacity of its Queen St. Entrance cannot easily be replaced, if at all, anywhere else.

That section could still be improved by removing the south side entrance to the parking garage, widening and properly streetscaping the south side sidewalk and other improvements. If through traffic were eliminated, such that cars only accessed that section to access City Hall garage, traffic would be considerably lighter than today.

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PS to everyone above championing this idea (pedestrianization/transit mall).........NOW is the time to be emailing the Mayor about this. Not in 5 years. It would be a 3 year process just to design/plan the changes, then tender, then construct, once Metrolinx is out of the way.

If the project holds to schedule........the decision on what to do with Queen should be made this year (2024).
 
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I agree, the parking entrance on Queen would still need to be maintained, but I think it can be done while pedestrianizing the stretch of Queen St. directly in front of NPS. This is very rough, but the way I imagine it, the pedestrianized zone would start immediately east of the parking entrance on the north side of Queen. The south side entrance would be removed, honestly that ramp is terribly placed in the first place. And the ramp entrance on Bay north of Queen could still be maintained, but redesigned for entrance/exit going north only.

Bay St would be the most difficult simply due to the bus that runs through here, but that could be fixed by implementing a bus-only lane on Bay between Albert & Richmond. (I don't see a way it can be easily re-routed). And finally, the stretch of Bay between Dundas and Albert could be signifantly narrowed to accommodate local traffic only.

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