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Both WT and Sidewalk gave RENDERINGS - and we all know how much faith to put in these at an early stage of a project. However, WT was trying to be neutral, Sidewalk was trying to push their ideas.
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daniel_kryz
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They were beautiful, especially those by Heatherwick. Do you know how much work and thought had gone into them? The level of detail in their master plan is unprecedented. And we should be able to build timber towers, as is done around the world. The problem is the building code, not their plans.
I know that Sidewalk's tech ideas were absurd, but their planning/design ideas were very well developed - and certaintly much better than anything that is built now in Toronto. The least WT could've done is to reference the detail and quality of that work, instead of putting out standard condo renderings and a block plan that just includes a multi-use trail in between the buildings. I mean, seriously, WT's best idea for the public realm is a multi-use trail with grass. I don't think that's even comparable to Sidewalk's public realm.
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If Heatherwick's name is your anchor, you got deeper problems than longing after over-ambitious, visual fables.
daniel_kryz
Active Member
Look, we just disagree in terms of aesthetics. I thought their plan was beautiful, you don't. I like Heatherwick, you don't. It's okay, we're entitled to our own opinions.
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Sure. "Aesthetics". https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...-pied-piper-has-the-very-rich-under-his-spell
Why not ask Londoners how the Garden Bridge is coming along? His studio has authored plenty of interesting, unique and visually stunning things. But to uncritically claim that we're lost without his tutelage - as you seem to be doing here - is not only revisionist history, it's fundamentally wrong.
Why not ask Londoners how the Garden Bridge is coming along? His studio has authored plenty of interesting, unique and visually stunning things. But to uncritically claim that we're lost without his tutelage - as you seem to be doing here - is not only revisionist history, it's fundamentally wrong.
Northern Light
Superstar
Ok, can we chill here a bit.
@daniel_kryz I understand and sympathize w/your desire for bold and interesting design.
But you need to pause there.
Not one building has been designed.
Not one.
These are massing models with a visualization drawing (render)
That's it.
This is not what's going to happen.
It's a rough representation of land use (residential here, culture there); along with a crude suggestion about density/height.
The real deal will arrive with the RFP results. We aren't there yet.
The only thing that has real design to it is the Parliament Slip; and even that will be subject to much refinement before working construction drawings happen.
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Timber buildings are a thing; and we are building them right here in Toronto, not only at the U of T's St. George campus; but also.....on the Waterfront, under the aegis of WT.
So they are very aware of the methods and possibilities.
WT has a decent overall track record in public realm.
It has had 2 notable unfortunate buildings in Corus Quay and The Innovation Centre.
But I expect you will see a decent design standard here.
You just have to wait; we're not there yet.
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For everyone else..........relax a little. He just wants inspirational design and appears to have conflated place holders with marketing renders.
@daniel_kryz I understand and sympathize w/your desire for bold and interesting design.
But you need to pause there.
Not one building has been designed.
Not one.
These are massing models with a visualization drawing (render)
That's it.
This is not what's going to happen.
It's a rough representation of land use (residential here, culture there); along with a crude suggestion about density/height.
The real deal will arrive with the RFP results. We aren't there yet.
The only thing that has real design to it is the Parliament Slip; and even that will be subject to much refinement before working construction drawings happen.
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Timber buildings are a thing; and we are building them right here in Toronto, not only at the U of T's St. George campus; but also.....on the Waterfront, under the aegis of WT.
So they are very aware of the methods and possibilities.
WT has a decent overall track record in public realm.
It has had 2 notable unfortunate buildings in Corus Quay and The Innovation Centre.
But I expect you will see a decent design standard here.
You just have to wait; we're not there yet.
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For everyone else..........relax a little. He just wants inspirational design and appears to have conflated place holders with marketing renders.
daniel_kryz
Active Member
Alright, I guess I'm a little too worried
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Quite a bit from the May WT FARM Committee meeting book:
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Update from the June WT IREC meeting book:
Guess we will hear more next month?
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Guess we will hear more next month?
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BejewelledCarp
New Member
Shortlist here.
- Hines Canada Management II ULC: Hines Canada with Tridel Builders Inc. and lead architect Foster + Partners.
- KMT Quayside Developments Inc.: Kilmer, Mattamy and Tricon and lead architect MVRDV, Cobe.
- Quayside Impact LP: Dream Unlimited Corp. and Great Gulf with lead architects Adjaye Associates, Alison Brooks Architects, Henning Larsen
- The Daniels Corporation and Hullmark Developments Ltd.: The Daniels Corporation and Hullmark Developments with lead architect Diamond Schmitt Architects Inc.
NorthshoreCity
Active Member
An overall amazing roster! Quayside Impact LP really assembled the triple-threat dream team, can't wait to see what comes next!
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I hope we get to see the shortlisted competition proposals.
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Northern Light
Superstar
100%
Each of the firms listed (architecture) is capable of delivering a great project..............but each has produced, if not outright clunkers, some 'meh' stuff.
I don't want anyone's 'meh' moment on this site!
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
This shortlist felt like one of those "of the four items below, which one does not fit with the others" questions.
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