daptive
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Feel like chipping away at non-load bearing structures is a different task than removing external walls that support a moving roof.
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Feel like chipping away at non-load bearing structures is a different task than removing external walls that support a moving roof.
Richard White
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Tear down the roof, then dismantle from the inside. Leave the walls up until the interior bits are down.
T.E.C.II
Active Member
Maybe you could stop trying to troll people?
sixrings
Senior Member
I dont need to troll Richard... He will continue to double down on demolishing a perfectly good stadium in an objectively perfect location for the sake of subjective atmosphere.
TossYourJacket
Senior Member
This is not how structural engineering works in most cases. At all. You'd have to be horrendously careful in the way the entire building is dismantled, it's not just "leave the outer walls up, and it'll be fine". Because once you start demolishing the concourses, it's really not that easy. Also this still does not in any way address the horrendous environmental cost of tearing down a structurally-sound concrete stadium.
It is absurd to me that in a time of a massive climate crisis, we have people arguing that we need to do an environmentally disastrous teardown of a functional sports stadium so that a few thousand Jays fans (because I am sure the vast majority of people who go to games do not think about this at all) can be happier with the orientation of the field. Would it be nice? YES! Is it worth it? NO!
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ChesterCopperpot
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yet you do and the whole back and forth is boring
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UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
...I mean, there's always the option to agree to disagree. And it's not like one person's opinion is ever going to stop whatever the proprietors decide to do with this stadium.
That said, moar reno pics please! <3
That said, moar reno pics please! <3
T.E.C.II
Active Member
This isn't a matter of differing opinion, this is sixrings either trying to bait people into an argument, or spamming the thread with the same sarcastic comment in every post, which at the very least should issue a warning from the mods. But the mods continue to either ignore his constant trolling, or worse, condone his behavior. I could put him on ignore, but that's just a band aid solution that ignores the problem.
Translude15
Frank the Tank
I've sat up there and you can definitely see what's happening on the field, unless you're legally blind or something.
To your point, people have been buying cheap baseball tickets and getting wasted at the venue for the better part of a century. The new fan decks just add to the gameday revenue coffers.
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
Sorry to hear that. But if this person is still playing within the rulez, there's not much that can be done about it, unless risking those rulez to be applied inconsistently...and I don't think anyone wants that. So don't engage with this person if you can and hope the chickens come home to roost on them sooner than later. And presuming there is a cause for concern here...
...and that's all I am going to say about that. And as we where about the renovations then.
C-mac
Senior Member
It's not subjective atmosphere. There's no question this facility has been pretty much the 3rd worst place to place baseball in the last 20 years behind Oakland and Tampa. It was just unfortunate that the timing was just a bit off in terms of the concept and when it opened. It was about 4 years to early. Over time they have made great improvements to help the place, such as making the infield dirt... flight deck...etc. The issue has never been a subjective atmosphere, it's the same issue they face today. It's atmosphere vs cost and practicality. For a long time, despite the fact it was outdated (which happened as soon Camden yards opened in 1992) the stadium was just still way to new to even think about a new one. It's obvious that despite the new renovations, the upper brass still feels they have a stadium issue or Mark Shapiro wouldn't be on record saying this is basically a band-aid solution. Texas has already had two new stadiums since the skydome opened to make the argument our stadium is still to new at this point doesn't hold merit anymore.
At this point it's about the following things in no particular order:
1) Cost vs generating revenue (not just the actual ticket sales, but will it do things like attract free agents and generate money indirectly)
2)Location
3)Can it be done without disrupting where the team plays during a new build or a complete and more significant change to the current stadium.
The place was in desperate need to be brought up modern day standards, hence they had to do something to buy time while they figure this out.
We'll see if the new reno's are good enough, or they'll have continue work through the stadium issue.
sixrings
Senior Member
I’ll concede that the stadium feels hollow when it’s half empty contributing to poor atmosphere. Personally I don’t think any stadium feels great when you feel like you’re the only one there. However when the jays are in wild card games and the stadium is full no one complains about the atmosphere. In fact people are reminded that the stadium “isn’t that bad.”
The problem is it’s size. The other problem is the jays not spending enough to be competitive year after year so that we are always in playoff runs. The third problem is mlb playoff schedule allowing so few teams in. And lastly baseball has twice as many games to fill those seats out making it extremely difficult in a city with plenty of other entertainment options.
When the stadium is full… opening night…. And playoffs…. The stadium is more than adequate and personally being warm and dry in October while paying Toronto ticket prices is great.
C-mac
Senior Member
And I'll concede when it's full, it's one of the best atmosphere's in baseball, because it's so big and you have so many people in there, but it's not a full house that often. Yes being warm and dry in October is nice, but honestly in this day and age, they could build a new retro style park with a roof that works much better like Safeco (now T-Mobile) or Miller park. Probably even better then those. As long as they don't screw it up the way Texas did. I doubt a new park is coming, I think there are some pretty smart engineers out there that can find ways bring this stadium into the modern day era.
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maestro
Senior Member
This two phase reno will finally turn a multi-use stadium into a baseball stadium. Let's give it a chance. The last thing the city// province needs to spend 100s of millions on is a new baseball stadium or the needless ecological impact recycling an impoded stadium because it isn't the best in the league.
Toronto's indecisiveness outlasted the era of tearing up streetcar networks for buses. That same indecisiveness outlasted grass eliminating turf from ballparks. A turf field is no longer the embarrassment limited to two aging domes.
Toronto's indecisiveness outlasted the era of tearing up streetcar networks for buses. That same indecisiveness outlasted grass eliminating turf from ballparks. A turf field is no longer the embarrassment limited to two aging domes.
C-mac
Senior Member
That's the whole idea, hence the 300 million dollar reno. We'll see if it works..