kkgg7 said:
Not that I like NYC that much, but Toronto really has very little similarity with New York. different sizes, different density, different life style. Different way of thinking. Too different.
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depends on what you're comparing... Toronto and NY comparissons,
Biggest city in their countries,
Home of the stock exchanges,
Most populous areas in countries,
Nationwide home of theatre, entertainment, arts, media,
etc...

But if you're comparing city to city.. NYC is much bigger/has more of everything,

and yeah, I dig what Trump does for Bay Street... And what i love about the towers on the east side of bay street is that they are very big city feeling. Commerce Court West looks absolutely huge in comparison with the little people.. It comes right up to the street (or close enough), and has no fancy podium or anything like that,

extreme density...
 
steveve said:
depends on what you're comparing... Toronto and NY comparissons,
Biggest city in their countries,
Home of the stock exchanges,
Most populous areas in countries,
Nationwide home of theatre, entertainment, arts, media,
etc...
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Oh, I get it. Toronto is the Bratislava of Canada.
 
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this tower is pure awesomeness ^^^ it takes the view to a whole new level of cool. this tower has swag.

though i still find that north setback awkward looking from this height,
 
Now that the construction cages and whatnot are largely gone, and the mast is in place, I feel somewhat more able to form an opinion on this thing. Walking around yesterday I viewed from several directions and I concluded that Trump is an excellent addition to the CBD.

Those who want real 'scrapers are of course disappointed. As a consolation, I have no doubt that genuine 'scrapers are firmly in Toronto's future. For real. But not at Bay and Adelaide Sts.

Those who value buildings that make use of their sites really well, and that give something to their surroundings (a part of city building) are probably saying "well, we scored, didn't we".

The spire, and the colour of the building, which I think is quite delightful, are the best features. This building falls into the category of the slightly-more-than-infill variety, and that is something we can welcome in the CBD. Trump has an elegant exuberance that works well alongside its conservative neighbours. I am holding back my impressions of street-level features, although I am optimistic about that aspect of the development (having commented on the street level design elements months ago), but the final product is not yet delivered.
 
Yes, Trump is really coming together, and it has excellent massing. - The glass could be better, but it brings some nice sophistication to Bay Street.

Awaiting the LED show!!
 
Hipster Duck said:
Oh, I get it. Toronto is the Bratislava of Canada.
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that's exactly what I meant. All these comparison just because they are the biggest city in their respective country doesn't make much sense.
Toronto has way more differences from than similarities with New York, so do all other cities in North America.
 
TonyV said:
Now that the construction cages and whatnot are largely gone, and the mast is in place, I feel somewhat more able to form an opinion on this thing. Walking around yesterday I viewed from several directions and I concluded that Trump is an excellent addition to the CBD.

Those who want real 'scrapers are of course disappointed. As a consolation, I have no doubt that genuine 'scrapers are firmly in Toronto's future. For real. But not at Bay and Adelaide Sts.

Those who value buildings that make use of their sites really well, and that give something to their surroundings (a part of city building) are probably saying "well, we scored, didn't we".

The spire, and the colour of the building, which I think is quite delightful, are the best features. This building falls into the category of the slightly-more-than-infill variety, and that is something we can welcome in the CBD. Trump has an elegant exuberance that works well alongside its conservative neighbours. I am holding back my impressions of street-level features, although I am optimistic about that aspect of the development (having commented on the street level design elements months ago), but the final product is not yet delivered.
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I like the building too, but regret that its very location makes it impossible to add any score to Toronto's skyline, either from south of North. I wish it were a bit far away from other tall buildings.
 
Does Bratislava have a Trump Tower?

New York and Toronto do!! -

Let's be honest, unless your city is the centre of hyper wealth, there will be no Trump Tower in your town. - This aristocratic symbol is now beckoning all conspicuous consumers all over the globe to come to our fair city. Same thing for New York.
 
I cannot believe the number of positive comments this is receiving!
This is a huge step backwards for the Toronto skyline. The comparison to Atlanta Po-Mo is spot on. It reminds me of bad casino architecture, crass splash on a dumb box. This dumb box just happens to be a tall one. It is unfortunate that the good work done by the elegant KPMG Bay Adelaide Tower, is undone in one fell, green, over decorated, swoop.
Along with the Ritz, RBC and Telus towers, downtown had a forward looking momentum. These four examples, while perhaps not world class, do at least try to be modern and of their time, Trump Tower looks like something from the 1980's.
And bad 1980's at that!
I have to see this project every day as I travel to work and it is an abomination of unquestionable proportions.
 
caltrane74 said:
Does Bratislava have a Trump Tower?

New York and Toronto do!! -

Let's be honest, unless your city is the centre of hyper wealth, there will be no Trump Tower in your town. - This aristocratic symbol is now beckoning all conspicuous consumers all over the globe to come to our fair city. Same thing for New York.
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OK, I guess Paris/London/Berlin/Milan/Tokyo/Hong Kong don't possess the wealth and status Toronto does.
Along with New York and Toronto, may I present the other aristocratic cities in the world:

Fort Lauderdale,
Philadelphia,
Chicago
New Orleans
Soeul
Dubai
Wakiki (Hawaii)
Panama City
Baja Mexico
Punta Cana, Dominican Republic
 
little man said:
I have to see this project every day as I travel to work and it is an abomination of unquestionable proportions.
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big words little man... but I guess to each his own.

Toronto does have some questionable buildings, but "an abomination" this is not. This adds a nice touch to the skyline albeit a bit hidden with the other tall buildings around... I do believe though that once it's fully lite it'll stand out more.
 
little man said:
I cannot believe the number of positive comments this is receiving!
This is a huge step backwards for the Toronto skyline. The comparison to Atlanta Po-Mo is spot on. It reminds me of bad casino architecture, crass splash on a dumb box. This dumb box just happens to be a tall one. It is unfortunate that the good work done by the elegant KPMG Bay Adelaide Tower, is undone in one fell, green, over decorated, swoop.
Along with the Ritz, RBC and Telus towers, downtown had a forward looking momentum. These four examples, while perhaps not world class, do at least try to be modern and of their time, Trump Tower looks like something from the 1980's.
And bad 1980's at that!
I have to see this project every day as I travel to work and it is an abomination of unquestionable proportions.
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That you can't believe it is easy, the answer is that people are wired differently, and what one sees as beauty or attractiveness another will see as an "abomination". Fundamental.

From my viewpoint, I see RBC, Telus, Ritz as attractive additions, but a further agglomeration of their likes is for me a terrible prospect, I prefer a nice mash-up instead.

I disagree with your comparison of Trump to bad Atlanta Po-Mo. I think this building is a good one, not a bad one. I don't always like Zeidler's work, but this I like.
 
caltrane74 said:
Let's be honest, unless your city is the centre of hyper wealth, there will be no Trump Tower in your town. - This aristocratic symbol is now beckoning all conspicuous consumers all over the globe to come to our fair city. Same thing for New York.
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I don't know how honest that is. I mean, honestly, if Trump Tower Toronto would have beckoned all the conspicuous consumers in the world to come to Toronto, it probably wouldn't have taken 7 years to sell enough units to start construction, and they probably wouldn't have had to reduce the number of floors in the building.
 
They did sell the units though, and I thought there were other reasons why they had to reduce the floor count. Not sales, but the National Club next door not selling.

My first point still stands though, outside of hyper wealthy cities, Trump Towers are few and far between.
 
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