dowlingm
Senior Member
Drum118: what does CP own south of WTD? I thought it was just Milton to the west, North Toronto to the east and MacTier to the north?
Drum118: what does CP own south of WTD? I thought it was just Milton to the west, North Toronto to the east and MacTier to the north?
I have heard a few different stories regarding the Milton line and which one is true, I don't know.
The know CP Galt Sub starts at Bathurst St and have never heard anything about it being turn over to CN over the years or sold to Metrolinx.
CP track crews only call the line the Galt sub where the block signals are and where the line joints CP main line at the Junction. I asked that question to CP crews during the bridge movements and the answer I was given.
The only reason I can think of why CP hasn't sold those track is to get around any problems on the Toronto North Sub and making money off GO.
Dan would be the best one to answer the question.
I have heard a few different stories regarding the Milton line and which one is true, I don't know.
The know CP Galt Sub starts at Bathurst St and have never heard anything about it being turn over to CN over the years or sold to Metrolinx.
CP track crews only call the line the Galt sub where the block signals are and where the line joints CP main line at the Junction. I asked that question to CP crews during the bridge movements and the answer I was given.
The only reason I can think of why CP hasn't sold those track is to get around any problems on the Toronto North Sub and making money off GO.
Dan would be the best one to answer the question.
Exhibit 1 shows the four rail lines within the City identified for abandonment or transfer in CN's and CP's three-year plans. GO Transit has concluded an agreement with CP for the long-term (99-year) lease of the Galt line and the CP Havelock line has been transferred to an internal shortline rail operator. The remaining two lines, CN Newmarket and CPBelleville-Don Branch, continue to be listed in the railway companies three-year plans but have not been advertised for sale in a public notice. Based on discussions with railway industry representatives there appears to be a consensus that there is surplus freight rail capacity in Central and Eastern Canada (east of Manitoba) and that additional lines will be identified for discontinuance or transfer.
As far as I know, none of the tracks are permanently assigned to one brand of train or the other and the whole thing will function as a single integrated corridor. In order to keep traffic flow optimal and reduce crossover movements, though, they'll presumably dispatch trains along a routine pattern. Left will presumably be mostly Milton GO, right will be Kitchener GO, VIA and UP.
Nice Pic!
Is that dial set up for speed control? It kinda looks like the ones on the SRT
Has Metrolinx said this recently though? Yes, they said that a while ago, before all the outrage about the UPX pricing started.
Not according to GO or Metrolinx. They have said that "up to" 10 more trips per day (workdays only) will commence...so 5 more return trips. Times/schedule of those trips TBD as is the start date of this slightly increased schedule (although knowledgable posters here have indicated that it will not be until September).
Has Metrolinx said this recently though? Yes, they said that a while ago, before all the outrage about the UPX pricing started.
Since then, it's been a more vague "our schedules have not been finalized" type comments.
Still, 5 additional return trips, added to the 3 return trips that they were previously running before construction started leads to 8 non-peak return trips a day. If they run every 90 minutes, you could easily see something like:
from Bramalea
9:40 (existing service)
11:10
12:40
14:10
15:40
17:10
18:40
20:10
21:40
from Union
6:30
8:00
9:30
11:00
12:30
14:00
15:30 (existing service)
....
18:50 (existing service)
20:20
21:50
That's essentially all-day 5-day service, without doing more than they've already promised. Though quite frankly, given the changing message, I wouldn't be surprised if we see better than that.
Ah, yes. They did add some services. So that could cut in - I assumed the 5 new round-trips would be off-peak in addition the 3 old round trips.The 10 new trips thing was a subtraction from the service in place at the time they said there would be "up to 29" total trips since there are already 15 trips that means a max of 14 new ones....your proposed schedule includes 16 new trips....so two of them would have to be cut. (I think the discrepancy comes from some service additions since the start of the project - like the new 5pm eastbound trip) with no change in the "up to 29" total trip figure.
The old 1-hour service on Lakeshore was well used. Service hasn't doubled by going every 30 minutes. It's certainly gone up significantly, but it hasn't doubled.yet this schedule you propose (which is clearly better than current) is supposed to be useful enough to appeal to people?
If it were up to me, I'd be doing a minimum of 1-hour off-peak service from 6 AM to 1 AM; 7 days a week (though perhaps not 6 AM on a Saturday or Sunday!).Also, even your very gallant attempt to stretch those trips out over the day would not give someone going to a Leaf/Raptor/Jays game or conert at Skydome/ACC that there would be a train ride home unless they are willing to leave early.
The old 1-hour service on Lakeshore was well used. Service hasn't doubled by going every 30 minutes. It's certainly gone up significantly, but it hasn't doubled.
If it were up to me, I'd be doing a minimum of 1-hour off-peak service from 6 AM to 1 AM; 7 days a week (though perhaps not 6 AM on a Saturday or Sunday!).
Ah, that's an interesting thought. I must have missed it before. Yes, it surely does! Lakeshore West at least picking up Milton and Kitchener line passengers. I'm not sure it applies as much for Lakeshore East, given there's no other lines east of Kennedy in Toronto - there's certainly nothing else in Durham Region.Lakeshore off peak, as we have discussed before, also gets a boost from people who would be better served by service on other lines but on weekends and for events drive or bus down to the Lakeshore line.
Ah, that's an interesting thought. I must have missed it before. Yes, it surely does! Lakeshore West at least picking up Milton and Kitchener line passengers. I'm not sure it applies as much for Lakeshore East, given there's no other lines east of Kennedy in Toronto - there's certainly nothing else in Durham Region.
It would be interesting to see the ratio of peak vs non-peak riders for Lakeshore East vs Lakeshore West.
Nuit Blanche is a very large exception to the rule of late night service, the subway was over capacity at 3am on that night. Don't count it as normal.