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It's *IN* the Skywalk, but closer to York than Simcoe.
it is practically right above York. The west york teamway stairs and elevator (by the GoodLife doors) take you right to it.
It's *IN* the Skywalk, but closer to York than Simcoe.
It's not a 7 to 12 minute walk between the bus stop at the airport and your gate. The UPX Station is maybe a 2 minute walk closer to your gate than the bus stop is, if that.each will make their own call but if you are going to add 5-10 minute walk from the UPe station at the airport to your gate...then don't you have to add a 7 - 12 minute walk from the bus terminal at the airport to your gate also?
It's not a 7 to 12 minute walk between the bus stop at the airport and your gate. The UPX Station is maybe a 2 minute walk closer to your gate than the bus stop is, if that.
I don't think it is a 7 - 12 minute walk either....but since the post I responded to added 5 - 10 minutes for walking from UPe to gate....I bumped those by 2 minutes...which, remarkably, matches your number
Pier F is about 350m long and attaches to a terminal that's about 100m wide (from the bus stop to the security checkpoint); and you don't really get to walk in a straight line.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Pier F transatlantic gates were an 800m walk from the 192 bus stop if you chose to avoid the moving walkways.
Pier F is about 350m long and attaches to a terminal that's about 100m wide (from the bus stop to the security checkpoint); and you don't really get to walk in a straight line.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Pier F transatlantic gates were an 800m walk from the 192 bus stop if you chose to avoid the moving walkways.
There are going to also be people who prefer the UPX over taking the bus, even if the bus is usually faster.
Yes, not everyone.
But there will be some people who will take UPX even if total trip takes 10 minutes longer.
Yeah, yea, I know it sounds like an advertorial -- but this is true of world city $15-$45 airport trains (Tokyo, London, Hong Kong). This is why some people are slowly warming up to UPX. By the time it's operating for a year, and when Metrolinx announces it has better farebox recovery than TTC/GO (aka better than the population expects it), positive public opinion will probably go up to 60-70% rather than 45%-ish. Sure, some early and late trains will be empty-ish, but Metrolinx will have lots of photos of packed 3-car trains during peak moments when an A380 arrives at the same time as a 747. Many surge moments at airports. Dumbfounded critics wonder what the hoopla is, rides it, and loves it.
- More fun and relaxing, more legroom, bigger seats, better scenery, better climate control.
- Seat more guaranteed. No midsummer standing on the 192 rocket with other sweat-drenched bag luggers.
- Free WiFi. (good opportunity for online airline check-in)
- Airport departure boards on the train.
- Room temperature all 365 days at platform edge at Union & Pearson! No freezing or sweating with your bag!
- Ride is more comfortable and smooth, especially for people who get nauseous with bus/taxi movements.
- No cramped, smelly, sometimes rude, tight-legroom, herky-jerky stop-and-go taxis or discount limos.
- No worry about later traffic, like an upcoming slower-than-usual 401. Luck of the draw.
- Premium transit also tend to stay sparkly clean and better-smelling.
- Shorter walk to most checkin booths than any other public transit option (even with LINK people mover).
- Consistency. 20-minute bus rides can become a 40-minute bus ride with construction or accidents.
- Sudden peace of mind the very moment you step into UPX at last-minute, "wow, my calm is worth the train fare"
- Full of energy, not tired, not sweating, not freezing, no stairs, no last-minute panic even 1h15min before flight.
- UPX becomes part of the vacation.
Not everyone will like UPX, but you can rest assured that *some* riders taking UPX are taking it anyway even if other means will be a little bit faster. I say this even though I have mixed feelings about how expensive the UPX capital costs were, and how it will eat up Georgetown Corridor capacity (for now). Even if UPX went a few minutes slower than the 192 Rocket, I still prefer UPX if I can easily get to Union at a predictable time (e.g. Yonge-Eglinton, and that I checked there's no TTC delay).
Approval rating will slowly go up, just like it did for Tokyo/London/HongKong $15-$45 premium airport trains after they have been actually operating for a while. Yes, the capital cost was stupendously (or stupidly) expensive, but it's here to stay probably for our current lifetime... An awful long time for every single naysayer to totally avoid riding UPX -- at least a few of those are going to go "what the heck, why not".
this is a real issue in this city (not picking on you here)......when I talk to people about getting to the airport you get the impression that people (in general) think there is no way to get to the airport other than drive or cab.
For a city with no (current) rail link to the airport we actually have a very interesting group of public transit options. None ideal but there is a range of prices and times and services....so the immediate reaction (fueled IMO by bad media about "$30 fares) to the UPe was understandable when thought of as the only transit option....but it is not.
As I have said before, the big missing one to me is some sort of connector from Malton GO to Pearson but there are TTC/MiWay/GO/Brampton Transit buses services right to the terminal doors and, yes, they take longer than a direct rail link.....but they also cost a lot less and serve different points in the region.
More fun and relaxing, more legroom, bigger seats, better scenery, better climate control.
As someone who has taken the Kitchener train a number of times, I can say from experience that the Bloor-Weston-Etobicoke North corridor is the armpit of Toronto. It's a shame that will be traveler's first impression of the city.
Or, like me, they work downtown, and have to pop over to the airport occasionally to pick someone up, or even travel directly from the office.In that Forum poll cited up thread, 18 percent of people in North York say they are "very likely" to take UPE to the airport. I guess they even moreso than ehlow will learn it is not for them.
Looking at the construction site in Google Maps, it looks closer to Simcoe than York. Almost a half-kilometre to Union subway station.It's *IN* the Skywalk, but closer to York than Simcoe.
Hmmmm. True..... Depends on the perspective, the section, and your predisposition to trains or automobiles in your originating country. A lot of old surface rail through industrial London has (had?) far more Grafitti, for example. A ride on the massive 401 can be uglier to many than even an industrial rail corridor not even as ugly as some international cities' own. Parts of the Georgetown corridor has some visual improvement caused by new noisewalls, though many parts are ugly.I agree with many of your points. However, as someone who has taken the Kitchener train a number of times, I can say from experience that the Bloor-Weston-Etobicoke North corridor is the armpit of Toronto. It's a shame that will be traveler's first impression of the city.
I was referring to the Don Valley Parkway, not the Gardiner. Two totally different beasts. The view from the Don Valley Parkway is prettier than it will be from both Gardiner and UPX (except Gardiner's "entering downtown at night on uncrowded late-evening drive" experience, with all the colorfully lighted new condos, SkyDome and CN tower)The view of the skyline from the west on the Gardiner is nice, but shouldn't the train have a similar view since it's right beside the Gardiner? I guess you can't see forward though.