Will Blue 22 have to pay rent to GTAA?

Apparently BART has to pay rent on its station:

BART pays SFO (San Francisco Airport Commission) $2.5 million per year for rent on the BART station in the International Terminal, plus an additional $700,000 for custodial and electrical support services.
See this link for more information.

Who will own the station at Pearson International Airport?

What about the station for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT, and maybe later the Finch West LRT, when they come into the airport? Will the TTC have to pay rent as well?
 
I doubt the TTC would pay rent because I don't think there will even be a station for the TTC as they will likely just put tracks in on the first level. If the TTC did need space inside the terminal or an enclosed area then they would probably pay a lease for that, but I don't see them paying just for tracks on the roadway. For Blue22 the Union Pearson group is building the infrastructure and would likely have a long term land lease. GO Transit had to pay the City to buy rights to part of Union Station and will have a lease on other parts. Blue22 will need to lease space for their lounge in Union from the city as well, as well as pay usage fees to GO Transit for using the Georgetown corridor and tracks at Union.
 
^^ Where will the Pearson station be, exactly? I assumed that it would be where there's parking lot right now, with an extension of the people mover towards it. Then it could be an interregional terminal for the Mississauga Transitway, Finch LRT, Eglinton RT, Blue22, future E-W Go routes that might take a northernly alignment, and Busses. I'm sure there's space for such a terminal, but it's sounding like both Eglinton and Blue22 will be going straight to Terminal 1.
 
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Blue22 will arrive at Terminal 1 elevated at the same level as the inter terminal monorail/cable-car. You will be able to walk down the platform from one to the other. You can see the Blue22 station in the Metrolinx Georgetown consultation documents as well as their maintenance facility.

Eglinton LRT will most likely arrive at terminal 1 on the bottom level (at the terminal there are three levels). The lack of space at terminal 3 means it is unlikely that the LRT will arrive there so a passenger going to T3 will need to take the elevator up to the inter terminal monorail/cable-car.
 
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GO Stations (Liberty Village/King St. West station)

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King Street

The corridor is very narrow at King Street. To accommodate a platform, the corridor would have to be widened outside the existing rail property lines and would require large scale property acquisition and the replacement of the entire King Street railway structure.

Queen Street

Neither Queen Street nor the new Dufferin Jog structure could accommodate the extra width required for a new platform. Also, building a platform would result in significant property requirements and road regrading. Both locations would also result in platforms on a curve which can result in unsafe conditions.

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-Blue22 will arrive at Terminal 1 elevated at the same level as the inter terminal monorail/cable-car.
-Eglinton LRT will most likely arrive at terminal 1 on the bottom level (at the terminal there are three levels).

IF this is the case and is what ultimately gets built, then this is a lot better than I had initially thought the plan was going to be. I was under the impression that Blue22 would end well away from the terminal, with a connection to the airport's cable liner - the added LRT addition to the terminal is also decent, but would be much better if it made it to T3 as well.

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After a new rail link and Eglinton LRT are added to T1, I wonder if T3 wouldn't become the discount airline terminal. If I was running one of the oneworld or Skyteam airlines I wouldn't be too happy about the idea of paying the same rent for a disadvantaged terminal. Fly United and get LRT and AirRail to the ticket counter, fly American and Delta and you get the second class experience of a silly cable-car.
 
I really don't think taking the people mover thing is that big a deal.

it's okay if you use it to get to and from the parking lot. having to use it to get to blue22 wouldn't make much sense.
 
it's okay if you use it to get to and from the parking lot. having to use it to get to blue22 wouldn't make much sense.

The Blue22 station and people mover station at Terminal 1 are the same station. Blue22 will be on the same level as the people mover, between the two people mover tracks. It will be extremely easy. Easier to get to Terminal 3 from Blue22 than getting to the international check-in desks at Terminal 1.

However, if the Eglinton LRT only serves the bottom floor of T1, that's going to be a bit of a pain.
 
The Blue22 station and people mover station at Terminal 1 are the same station. Blue22 will be on the same level as the people mover, between the two people mover tracks. It will be extremely easy. Easier to get to Terminal 3 from Blue22 than getting to the international check-in desks at Terminal 1.

However, if the Eglinton LRT only serves the bottom floor of T1, that's going to be a bit of a pain.

that's why i didn't say "it will make no sense" but rather "it wouldn't make sense". :)

the original plan was to have it meet up with the people mover IIRC. that would have sucked big time, adding another transfer.
 
The Blue22 station and people mover station at Terminal 1 are the same station. Blue22 will be on the same level as the people mover, between the two people mover tracks. It will be extremely easy. Easier to get to Terminal 3 from Blue22 than getting to the international check-in desks at Terminal 1.

However, if the Eglinton LRT only serves the bottom floor of T1, that's going to be a bit of a pain.

The Blue22 will be more expensive, but faster, to use than the Eglinton LRT. Being more expensive, it had better provide better service by being at the same station as the Airport LINK.

As for the Eglinton LRT, the idea is that the GTAA employees would use that instead of taking their cars to the airport. The Blue22 would be too expensive for everyday use for the employees, unless it was part of an employee's benefit package. Being low-floor would allow solitary passengers who want to save money to still use the LRT to get their luggage to the airport. Hopefully the elevators on that level will be able to handle the crowds.
 
Transfers

In the last month I have visited two cities that make extensive use of people movers and transit at their airports.

In, both, San Francisco and Atlanta, people regularly (and without grumbling) take an internal transit system from their planes to get to things like baggage claim, car rental outlets and, remarkably, public transit. It is not a big deal and it is really just an accepted part of the airport experience.

Why, then, are we so sure that Blue 22, or any other mass/public transit system, has to go to the additional expense/work/engineering of bringing their trains right to the front door of the terminal?

Is it a particularly Toronto thing that we will not take a people mover to a train? If it works elsewhere why are we so sure it won't work here?
 
The APM station at T1 was designed from the beginning to accomodate a rail link to Union.
The reason there will be no Blue22 station at T3 is because the long term plan is to eventually demolish T3 and extend T1 Northward.
 
Why, then, are we so sure that Blue 22, or any other mass/public transit system, has to go to the additional expense/work/engineering of bringing their trains right to the front door of the terminal?

Is it a particularly Toronto thing that we will not take a people mover to a train? If it works elsewhere why are we so sure it won't work here?

TOareaFan this is not necessarily directed at you..

Its not that we are sure, but that it is better, more efficient and makes the most sense. I am really tired of the way we do things in North America - honestly, all the grumbling about a few extra dollars, just do the goddamned job and do it right! Why do always need to cut corners, do only the average amount of work necessary at the status quo level, to save a few bucks? This is the mentality that we live with day in and day out! Everything is too much trouble and is good enough the way it is - so why bother in the first place!

While places around the world look at ways to make themselves more and more competitive and appealing to the rest of the world, be it for the tourist market or the business market, Toronto sits idling in neutral, content with reminiscing about the days of 1980's when this city was a leading example for transit, civic activity and forward thinking. These types of projects need to happen and need to be done right, especially for the large proportion of people who believe we are fine without...


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