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Also, on a typical day there are more people headed in the direction of Bay and Yonge than there are headed in the direction of York and University, as well as the fact that PATH still feeds into the Bay concourse.
Also, on a typical day there are more people headed in the direction of Bay and Yonge than there are headed in the direction of York and University, as well as the fact that PATH still feeds into the Bay concourse.
- The York underground PATH connections are still under construction tooAlso, on a typical day there are more people headed in the direction of Bay and Yonge than there are headed in the direction of York and University, as well as the fact that PATH still feeds into the Bay concourse.
^I have been, and remain, a skeptic with regards to the success of that retail.
I have heard people talk about all the commuters that will now be using the place and the volumes of people that ReR will bring.
The alternative view of that is that, on average, people wait/dwell times at union will decrease. If there are trains every 15 minutes people will not be hanging around Union.......if someone, today, tries to catch (for example) the 5:45 pm KW line train and arrives just a tad late...they will be hanging around Union for 1 hour til the next train....they may shop......in the future if they miss that train, the next one leaves in 15 minutes and they will just go to the platform and get on it. Not much shopping time there.
^I have been, and remain, a skeptic with regards to the success of that retail.
I have heard people talk about all the commuters that will now be using the place and the volumes of people that ReR will bring.
The alternative view of that is that, on average, people wait/dwell times at union will decrease. If there are trains every 15 minutes people will not be hanging around Union.......if someone, today, tries to catch (for example) the 5:45 pm KW line train and arrives just a tad late...they will be hanging around Union for 1 hour til the next train....they may shop......in the future if they miss that train, the next one leaves in 15 minutes and they will just go to the platform and get on it. Not much shopping time there.
Or if there is a train every 15 minutes the it's not a big problem to intentionally miss a train to do some shopping.
C'mon TOaF. There's gotta be a reason why every major train station in Europe is practically a shopping mall these days.
Don't like the seats they have in there, looks cheap.
If trains came by every 15 mins I would be more willing to miss a train or two, to get dinner or a couple of grocery ingredients out of the way, as it is a timesaver if the Union retail is as nice and quick as I hope it will be....in the future if they miss that train, the next one leaves in 15 minutes and they will just go to the platform and get on it. Not much shopping time there.
If trains came by every 15 mins I would be more willing to miss a train or two, to get dinner or a couple of grocery ingredients out of the way, as it is a timesaver if the Union retail is as nice and quick as I hope it will be.
Agree about the truth being likely a balance of the two, though I think it will lean towards profitability at Union. Bigger profitability during the 15-minute era than the 30-minute era, in my opinion, since the 15-minute era will double people at Union (by ~2031) and dramatically increase offpeak people at Union. I feel Union businesses may struggle somewhat between 2018-2023 during offpeak, then much more successful when the first several 15-min electricified routes comes online, bringing more all-day business.That is one possibility.......on the other hand, I would bet most (not all) of the people going to Union to catch a train to the burbs have their dinner partner at the other end of the trip. Not a lot of "Hey honey/dear, don't make me dinner I am gonna grab a bite at union and get the next train home" calls going to happen.
Look, as I said, I may be wrong....it may end up be this thronging hive of activity with people casually shopping and dining without a care in the world knowing that there will always be another train.......on the other hand there may be a whole bunch of people that previously would have had 1/2 - 1 hour waits that now just know if they go up to the platform the next train will be leaving in a few minutes.
The truth will likely be a balance of the two....as I said, from my POV it will be skewed to the latter...I get that others think I am wrong.....let's see.
The cat litter and a box of Tide ... no. But I frequently grab groceries near the office, or near the subway station at my house, on the way home. The car only comes out for the big shops.Bringing groceries home with me on a packed rush hour train just doesn't seem too convenient.
I'm not talking about a full grocery shop, but buying TWO OR THREE ITEMS (e.g. ingredients or meat), as I wrote in my message. An Angus steak for the BBQ, or a bag of premium stir-fry vegetables. All of that easily fit inside a tote bag slipped into my backpack, and safely stay cool/insulated long enough for the journey (and it is no worse than putting meat on kitchen counter for an hour waiting on BBQed anyway!). Even a carton of milk or coffeecream stays below Health Canada recommended coldness in the insulated pouch of my backpack (normally designed to keep travel mug hot) for a whole 1.5 hour commute. It's not rocket science, buddies...Personally, I'd be more inclined to get food to go at Union (a sub, a burger, some ice cream, etc), but do my grocery shopping and stuff at the other end, assuming those facilities are there. Bringing groceries home with me on a packed rush hour train just doesn't seem too convenient. Another thing I'd personally do at Union is meet my friends for a beer before or after a sporting event.