Kraylin
Active Member
Thanks for the pictures, this project is simply amazing !
RiverCity1
Active Member
My pleasure 
It's a war zone, but quite the lesson in engineering! Love it.
It's a war zone, but quite the lesson in engineering! Love it.
Komiksulo
Active Member
Are they going to lower the floor of the section of the moat that is underneath the bridge/plaza in front of the centre of Union Station?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Komiksulo:
I don't think so - there will be stairs from the lowered section of the eastern moat (where the TTC Union Station is) to the area under the bridge.
See: http://www.toronto.ca/union_station/pdf/site_plan.pdf
AoD
I don't think so - there will be stairs from the lowered section of the eastern moat (where the TTC Union Station is) to the area under the bridge.
See: http://www.toronto.ca/union_station/pdf/site_plan.pdf
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Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
Wait. My understanding was that the current concourse level of Union Station Subway will be at the same level as the lowered Union (GO?) concourse. Which is currently about 5 or so steps above the TTC concourse. The moat will be lowered to this level as well.
The new basement level will be level (redundant much? lol) with the subway level of the TTC station with direct access to the Yonge line.
This has changed?
The new basement level will be level (redundant much? lol) with the subway level of the TTC station with direct access to the Yonge line.
This has changed?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
WH:
Nothing has changed. If you open up the 2nd page of the site plan I have posted - the Bay (current GO) concourse will be lowered so that it is level with the TTC Union Subway Station entrance at the moat. However, the east (York) and centre concourse (as well as the area under the bridge) will be at a different level.
AoD
Nothing has changed. If you open up the 2nd page of the site plan I have posted - the Bay (current GO) concourse will be lowered so that it is level with the TTC Union Subway Station entrance at the moat. However, the east (York) and centre concourse (as well as the area under the bridge) will be at a different level.
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
my understanding has always been that you access the TTC From the Shopping concourse..
and some quick reseach shows that I am correct. Access to the TTC will be from the retail level, the main concourse level will be level with the existing VIA Concourse.http://stevemunro.ca/?p=685
and some quick reseach shows that I am correct. Access to the TTC will be from the retail level, the main concourse level will be level with the existing VIA Concourse.http://stevemunro.ca/?p=685
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
innsertnamehere:
Indeed - though you really need to look at the fine details of the retail level:
http://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/retail3d.jpg
Notice that the York and Centre concourse (light pink) isn't on the same level as Bay and the rest of the retail concourse (yellow).
AoD
Indeed - though you really need to look at the fine details of the retail level:
http://stevemunro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/retail3d.jpg
Notice that the York and Centre concourse (light pink) isn't on the same level as Bay and the rest of the retail concourse (yellow).
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
??? I'm confused.
There are 2 levels, the concourse level and Retail level.
Retail level is below both the York and Bay Concourse levels.
Bay and York Concourse Levels are at the same level as the existing VIA Concourse
Below the Bay concourse, on the retail level, will be the Connection to the TTC.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Ah, I see what the problem is - terminology - what I was referring to is the Bay and Centre "Promenade" - not the new GO concourse that is above the retail level.
AoD
AoD
Why not reference the plans included on the dataBase page linked above? They show what is going to happen.
The "Front Street East Moat" outside the subway station exit will be lowered to Union subway station mezzanine level.
Stairs to the west will take you up to the "Front Street Centre Moat" level, which is the same as that for "Front Street West Moat", the "Front Street Promenade", and the "York Street Promenade". None of those sections are being lowered.
If you go south of the Front Street East Moat, you will enter the new lowered "Bay Street Promenade" at the same level. Continuing south and then west, the "Bay Street Pedestrian Retail", the "Centre Retail", and the "York Street Pedestrian Retail" are all on this new lower level. To get from this lowered level to anywhere north, south, east or west of it except for the subway station, you will have to take stairs or escalators. That includes getting to the new GO Concourses or to the ACC or the sidewalks on York or Bay.
A lot of effort is put into getting good and comprehensive info into the dataBase images. It's worth consulting them!
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The "Front Street East Moat" outside the subway station exit will be lowered to Union subway station mezzanine level.
Stairs to the west will take you up to the "Front Street Centre Moat" level, which is the same as that for "Front Street West Moat", the "Front Street Promenade", and the "York Street Promenade". None of those sections are being lowered.
If you go south of the Front Street East Moat, you will enter the new lowered "Bay Street Promenade" at the same level. Continuing south and then west, the "Bay Street Pedestrian Retail", the "Centre Retail", and the "York Street Pedestrian Retail" are all on this new lower level. To get from this lowered level to anywhere north, south, east or west of it except for the subway station, you will have to take stairs or escalators. That includes getting to the new GO Concourses or to the ACC or the sidewalks on York or Bay.
A lot of effort is put into getting good and comprehensive info into the dataBase images. It's worth consulting them!
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
I was consulting them! We just were using different terminology, I was calling the upper floor the concourse, and Alvin was calling the lower level the concourse. Thus the confusion.
One thing I am concerned about however is the stairs between the two levels. It appears it will largely be 3 escalators right beside each other in each direction. Is that correct? I think that may become a choke point, especially since people just love to stop walking and just stand there when riding escalators.
One thing I am concerned about however is the stairs between the two levels. It appears it will largely be 3 escalators right beside each other in each direction. Is that correct? I think that may become a choke point, especially since people just love to stop walking and just stand there when riding escalators.
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khris
Senior Member
Don't you just love that?
EnviroTO
Senior Member
Three escalators each way plus two sets of stairs.