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Which transit plan do you prefer?

  • Transit City

    Votes: 95 79.2%

  • Ford City

    Votes: 25 20.8%
  • Total voters
    120
Ah, Steve Munro's new best friend out west :)
 
taal said:
Ah, Steve Munro's new best friend out west :)
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I have a lot of respect for Steve Munro, mainly because he uses things like facts to support his claims (and god almighty does he know his facts) as opposed to vague unsubstantiated mantras. To my knowledge, he has never pulled a "trams promote walkable neighborhoods while subways and busses spread leprosy" type argument. Steephen Rees is the dumb one.
 
Rapid transit: coming to a farm near you!
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7 line in Queens.

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So... are any of these lines far enough along in the planning stages to get some of this accelerated cash that should start to flow from the federal coffers soon?

I think they need to be very close to the 'shovels in the ground stage' so... would any of the proposed lines be applicable?
 
Snow melting platforms

GO Transit is installing snow and ice melting systems on the central platforms on the Lakeshore line. It use a mixture of heated water and anti-freeze flowing in tubes under the platforms. No salt needs to be used. This is the system that many high-rise buildings use to keep their driveway ramps clear of snow in winter.
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So how about the Transit City stop platforms and snow?

There is a problem of what to use to heat the mixture for the snow melting systems. GO Transit will use natural gas boilers, just like the on-demand water heaters in homes. The natural gas piping would be a problem.

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Another solution is to use electricity. However, that would be expensive.

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Alternatively, we could use ground source heat pumps. Heat from the earth is extracted by running the tubes deep into the earth. Installation in this case would be expensive.

Or we can continue to use salt, but use some sort of stop masters.

Maybe we should use stop masters who take care of each stop. They can clean the litter and posters, shovel snow, and report on problems.

In 1999, the Ontario government introduced a requirement that high school students complete 40 hours of community service before graduating. Maybe we could get teenagers in the neighbourhood of each stop to do community service by being stop masters.

The one problem would be that the unions will be against that idea.​
 
The melting system is a great idea, but the TTC being themselves, I doubt they will do this. I really hope thay do, because in out wonters, it would REALLY be useful LOL.

Oh, and I just noticed something:

Transit City and Progress is an oxymoron!!
 
Examples of LRT.
Those are part underground and above ground.

A-San Francisco http://urbanrail.net/am/snfr/san-francisco.htm

B-Los Angeles http://urbanrail.net/am/lsan/la-blue-line.htm

C-San Diego http://urbanrail.net/am/sdie/san-diego.htm

D-Dallas http://urbanrail.net/am/dall/dallas.htm

E-Edmonton http://urbanrail.net/am/edmo/edmonton.htm

F-Guadalajara http://urbanrail.net/am/guad/guadalajara.htm

G-Minneapolis http://urbanrail.net/am/minn/minneapolis.htm
**I think it will be most likely be like this.**

H-Valencia http://urbanrail.net/am/vale/valencia.htm
**I doubt they will built stations like this on Eglington**
 
^I don't think it will be like Minneapolis. The Hiawatha line runs in its own corridor set back from a major highway and station stops are nearly every 2 km. They also have some pretty impressive flyovers of major intersections.

Most real LRT in the world is like this and it generally works. If TC were built like this (except on Sheppard where it must be a continuation of the subway), I'd be much more sympathetic. I hate to use the term, but Transit City really is just a glorified streetcar: stops every 500 m, low-floor, basic station design (you have to cross the street to transfer to a bus, for example), an insistence of running in a street median and practically no grade separation anywhere.
 
Besides the substantial, underground, grade separated section on Eglinton, so what if it is just a 'glorified streetcar'? The main purpose of these lines is to serve the higher local demand that buses will not be able to handle in a few years, not ferry everyone from one end to the other, and to do so without the influence of increasing traffic congestion.

If they did build these lines with double the planned stop spacing then many people would be less likely to take the lines or have a longer walk to and from the stops. If stations were build much more substantially than planned then people would be just be complaining how expensive and over built the are.
 
Underground electric transformer vault melt snow... DING!

I live on a street where the electricity, telephone, and cable wires are underground. Every few houses, there is an underground vault that contains transformers. Even with all the snow falling, the vaults would be clear of snow by the next day. The heat of the transformers is enough to slowly melt the snow.
Now on St. Clair West, they are installing underground transformers in vaults, but in alcoves or to the side of the street. In the meantime, the LRT platforms are snow covered.
Why couldn't they have put the transformers under the platforms? Could it be the possibly of maintenance, transformer fires, etc. In one of my suggestions to melt snow on platforms, I mentioned using ground source heat pumps. Couldn't the tubes used to extract the heat from the ground be shifted over the transformers to capture the heat generated? Experiments may be needed to see how much heat can be used without blocking ventilation to the vault.
 
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