syn
Senior Member
Ford will just blame someone or something else for the lack of progress.
It's a game they've been playing for nearly a decade now.
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Ford will just blame someone or something else for the lack of progress.
It's a game they've been playing for nearly a decade now.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
The Japanese call these doors "Home doors" as noted by its Katakana transcription of ホームドア
11th
Senior Member
While ホーム can mean home, in this case, it's actually the "form" in the word platform. Japanese likes to abbreviate borrowed words (e.g. television is "tele", building is "biru (bil)")
kEiThZ
Superstar
I don't get the complaint. I was under the impression that Ontario Line might have PEDs.
Line 2 is sort of pointless without doing the whole line.
muller877
Senior Member
Not sure if its a dumb question but....
If there are full height platform doors what changes to the ventilation systems are required? I assume they need more at the platform level. But does it result in less ventilation requirements within the tunnels?
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If there are full height platform doors what changes to the ventilation systems are required? I assume they need more at the platform level. But does it result in less ventilation requirements within the tunnels?
(PDF) Design of a modern subway ventilation system
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
The province/city had the chance to put in platform doors on the Vaughan extension on Line 1, but failed. They currently a chance to put in platform doors on the Crosstown LRT (at least the underground section), but likely will fail there as well.
Safety? Bah, humbug! Decrease the surplus population.
Safety? Bah, humbug! Decrease the surplus population.
smallspy
Senior Member
Not sure if its a dumb question but....
If there are full height platform doors what changes to the ventilation systems are required? I assume they need more at the platform level. But does it result in less ventilation requirements within the tunnels?
(PDF) Design of a modern subway ventilation system
PDF | Although subway transportation is an inherently more sustainable option than individuals using cars, it is important that the designer of such an... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
It depends on the design of the platform edge doors/wall. If it is full-height and solid, than yes, changes to the ventilation system will be required. Otherwise, they may not be.
Dan
DSCToronto
Superstar
This makes sense (of course, it's from @smallspy :->) and if platform edge doors are mainly to prevent (easy) suicides why would you need the full height ones? (Yes, they would be a bit better, would stop more litter being blown on the track and might look better but adding new/better ventilation is clearly an expensive thing to do.)
pman
Senior Member
Doesn’t reducing litter on the track improve reliability?
Northern Light
Superstar
The other argument for full-height doors, and the associated ventilation upgrades, is the potential for partial or full HVAC.
I'm not sure there's a good case, other than enjoyable luxury for that in most stations; however, we've all see what Yonge/Bloor and St. George can get like when packed out due to delays. Its not just uncomfortable, you get folks fainting and that then causes delays.
I think there is a credible case for full-height at indoor stations, that are or are likely to be taxed to capacity. Saves on medical calls, delays and a nice creature comfort to boot.
I'm not sure there's a good case, other than enjoyable luxury for that in most stations; however, we've all see what Yonge/Bloor and St. George can get like when packed out due to delays. Its not just uncomfortable, you get folks fainting and that then causes delays.
I think there is a credible case for full-height at indoor stations, that are or are likely to be taxed to capacity. Saves on medical calls, delays and a nice creature comfort to boot.
smallspy
Senior Member
This is precisely it. There are all sorts of reasons why an agency may choose to install platform edge doors, and those reasons may include or preclude the use of full height or solid walls and doors.
There are obviously advantages and disadvantages to each different type and model - and those have to be taken in concert with the existing fixed plant, and what changes to it they might require if they are to be installed.
Dan
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Not exactly true well they were planned to have them and the platforms are even built so they can be installed they were removed from the plans when there was a change in cost due to changes in the signalling system. The TTC originally planned to have ATC open with it like it ended up doing so however during the entail install of the same on the existing line they ended up firing the contractor and didn't think they would have time to get a new one in order to open the line in time they decided to go with conventual signalling, they then got anew contractor for it and installed it on the new line and also the section from Dupont to Downsview to begin with.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
They're be installing Les Nessman (or should they be "Denzil Minnan-Wong") platform doors at St. George Stations.
See link.
Not real platform doors (like Les Nessman's imaginary office doors in WKRP In Cincinnati TV series). But then the TTC doesn't have funding for real platform doors, just imaginary ones.
Maybe we should get Richard Sanders, who played Les Nessman, to "officially" cut the ribbon on the imaginary platform doors?
See link.
Not real platform doors (like Les Nessman's imaginary office doors in WKRP In Cincinnati TV series). But then the TTC doesn't have funding for real platform doors, just imaginary ones.
Maybe we should get Richard Sanders, who played Les Nessman, to "officially" cut the ribbon on the imaginary platform doors?
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Johnny Au
Senior Member
Apparently, the provincial Liberals, the provincial Conservatives, and a good number of Toronto city councillors practise the more extreme form of Darwinism.
Steve X
Senior Member
Does low floor LRT really need platform screen doors? Given the expected ridership of the crosstown or current ridership of the TYSSE, it doesn't justifies PSDs. The TYSSE was never budgeted for PSDs as they originally plan to install the old signal system on it.
There is also a big chance a mechanical problem occur with the PSDs themselves cause the TTC gives me no insurance that it'll be always functional. They would have various excuses from motor problems, communication problem, etc. Somehow nothing is ever working at world class cities standards in the GTA.
Since they only have a small pot, it would be the best to install them in locations that is the most necessary.
There is also a big chance a mechanical problem occur with the PSDs themselves cause the TTC gives me no insurance that it'll be always functional. They would have various excuses from motor problems, communication problem, etc. Somehow nothing is ever working at world class cities standards in the GTA.
Since they only have a small pot, it would be the best to install them in locations that is the most necessary.
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