[scarberiankhatru]

"Then again, I think good regional rail and good local transit is better for Mississauga, Brampton, Markham, etc, than never-ending TTC subway extensions"

MCC would be the end of the line for the Bloor subway. That said, a Kipling extension is not a priority and, of course, should never proceed without first seeing what GO can really given a big chunk of cash. It's not like a subway extension would only be used by people in MCC going directly downtown...then again, maybe it would - that's why we need the GO system in place first.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

"Please, there is reasonable housing off of bloor within walking distance of the subway"

Did you ever stop to think what might happen to these "reasonable" areas if half the population of Peel Region decided they want to live there?

 

[roch5220]

"reasonable" areas if half the population of Peel Region decided they want to live there?

LOL, right.

I did stop and think about the employment densities within 416 and realized its not too high outside of the CBD, and the amount of people that would benefit from such an extension isn't that great. It wouldn't bring the same benefit that the DRL would do for East York, thats for sure.

 

[dashingdan]

And on the reverse side, MCC hasn't exactly been the poster child for 905 employment/node growth. In fact, its been quite hurting vs. other areas like in York region.

MCC might not have that much employment growth, but Mississauga as a whole does. A subway line to MCC would serve all those, since so many bus routes go through MCC.

I don't think you can even compare York to Mississauga. How many jobs are there in Mississauga compared to all of York region? How many jobs in the Airport Corporate Centre alone?

 

[spmarshall]

I think southern York Region is starting to be very comparison-worthy to Mississauga. The Beaver Creek area of Richmond Hill/Markham looks a lot like the Airport Corporate area. There's a hell of a lot of jobs in the part of Markham bounded by Steeles, Highway 7, the 404 and Kennedy as well.

 

[roch5220]

MCC might not have that much employment growth, but Mississauga as a whole does. A subway line to MCC would serve all those, since so many bus routes go through MCC

Mississauga is a big place.

In terms of employment growth, MCC has been been a disappoint. Missy city originally had planned, and hoped for a lot more offices around MCC, which has not materialized. Where is this new concentration happening, by looking at hwy 7 and the office parks that feed off of it, plus other office parks surronding the highways in 905 (including Missy), I can tell you where its not happening, its MCC.

It would be a better argument for a subway to MCC if indeed MCC's original plans of attracting more office jobs had materialized. Then MCC would also be a destination.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

If memory serves me correctly, Richmond Hill's Beaver Creek alone had over 10,000 jobs in 2001. Markham, in the 407/404 area has another 50,000 at least. The airport + surrounding business parks in Missy do have more jobs, but it is a much larger area, too.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

"Then MCC would also be a destination."

A mall like Square One is a bigger destination than an office park with 10,000 jobs, that's for sure. Look at Yorkdale station.

 

[doady]

Mississauga is a big place.

In terms of employment growth, MCC has been been a disappoint. Missy city originally had planned, and hoped for a lot more offices around MCC, which has not materialized. Where is this new concentration happening, by looking at hwy 7 and the office parks that feed off of it, plus other office parks surronding the highways in 905 (including Missy), I can tell you where its not happening, its MCC.

Mississauga City Centre 20,000 jobs
North York City Centre 29,000
Yonge-Eglinton 31,000
Scarborough City Centre 14,000
Etobicoke City Centre 10,000

So much for lack of employment in MCC.

Really, I don't see how you can complain about the lack of office development at MCC and oppose a subway extension at the same time. That is just contradicting yourself.

 

[dashingdan]

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First off, the reason there isn't more office space in MCC is the same reason little office space has been built downtown toronto until recently: high density zoning and expensive land/taxes. Hence why areas outside of MCC within Mississauga have gotten jobs, e.g. the Airport Corporate Centre, Heartland, Meadowvale (all basically along the 401).
As Scarberian said, Square One is more of a destination anyway. Square One is the biggest mall in the GTA without a subway stop. Eaton Centre has one. So does Yorkdale. And Scarborough Town Centre (well, the SRT). If the subway came to MCC, imagine the explosion of condos!
Regardless, it's just funny that you'd bring up York Region to compare Mississauga to. Hazel has become known as the Queen of Sprawl, but Mississauga really isn't that sprawling. The density in Mississauga is actually quite high, and there are many tall buildings along Hurontario, and within the MCC. There are 700,000 people in Mississauga. That's comparable to the old cities of North York, Scarborough and Toronto in raw numbers, and probably nearly the same as North York and Scarborough in terms of density. And Mississauga is only going to grow taller, considering that we've used up all our land and have no other choice. Mississauga alone may not reach 1 million on its own (though Peel Region has already), but we still have a lot of growing UP to do.
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[ahrvojic]

Places of work can change suddenly, especially given the decline of jobs for life in the corporate sector, and even the public sector. And that for a family, it is becoming prohibitively expensive to live in the inner 416 (and population is still rising anyway) that good intraregional transit is needed, and you can't just pick people up and move them closer to their jobs.

Thank you! It's all too easy for young, mobile urbanites to criticize others for not choosing to live where they think they should. We're human beings; there are factors other than commuting distance at play and no one chooses to be born in a given place with one's network of family and friends centered there. Laying individual blame for Toronto's regional dynamics over the last half-century makes no sense.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

In a city of millions like Toronto, someone's always going to have to live farther away from the central areas than they would like.

 

[spmarshall]

Good to see we have yet another Mississauga booster/apologist on the forum.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Thank you! It's all too easy for young, mobile urbanites to criticize others for not choosing to live where they think they should. We're human beings; there are factors other than commuting distance at play and no one chooses to be born in a given place with one's network of family and friends centered there. Laying individual blame for Toronto's regional dynamics over the last half-century makes no sense.

Exactly, so one shouldn't complain about gridlock and poor public transit when the chicken that is low-density suburbanism comes home to roost in a big way.

AoD

 

[roch5220]

Mississauga City Centre 20,000 jobs
North York City Centre 29,000
Yonge-Eglinton 31,000
Scarborough City Centre 14,000
Etobicoke City Centre 10,000

By the way, I was commenting on employment growth. Even the city of Missy had to adjust their plans as this such growth was not being acheived.

But again, these figures points to why a subway being built to MCC doesn't make sense, as the commutters travelling along the BD line, and north of yonge (as commutters travelling downtown would just take the GO - or is serviced adequately by GO) arn't signficant enough.