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Duck
Guest
Sorry, I wasn't clear - that's what I was inferring.
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nfitz
Superstar
How can Waterloo's LRVs be the first 100% low floor LRVs? Surely there are others. And if not, what about the 3 Flexity LRVs already in use by TTC?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
It's okay. You're the most coherent Duck Ive had the pleasure of speaking to.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
http://business.financialpost.com/2...thunder-bay-plant-hit-with-supply-chain-woes/
Bombardier is screwing up, big time.. And starting to get on peoples nerves.
Bombardier is screwing up, big time.. And starting to get on peoples nerves.
the lemur
Senior Member
If the plant in Mexico is screwing up the stuff needed for assembly in Thunder Bay, couldn't Bombardier source it from one of its other plants?
DSC
Superstar
Doubtless they could but I doubt this would happen quickly. Frankly, Bombardier is looking very bad over this mess. First the quality problems with the new subway cars, now the amazing delays in the streetcars. (To say nothing of their current plane delays.)
Would YOU give them another order?
rbt
Senior Member
Tooling another plant for a large component could take nearly a year.
the lemur
Senior Member
Nope.
I guess the most frustrating thing about this is that there's been so little progress on transit in Toronto for so long - yet there have been many examples of other cities making progress with Bombardier vehicles - and now it's being held up by, I don't know, lousy QA on their part.
the lemur
Senior Member
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Boy, we should have gone with Siemens after all 
6 minutes.
But seriously, we made the right decision. There was no way for us to predict these issues.
6 minutes.
But seriously, we made the right decision. There was no way for us to predict these issues.
the lemur
Senior Member
Boy, we should have gone with Siemens after all
6 minutes.
But seriously, we made the right decision. There was no way for us to predict these issues.
Really? There wouldn't be some kind of QA process in place to make sure the plant in Mexico got the hang of making the components properly before shipping them to Thunder Bay?
wopchop
Building Toronto
This is bullshit. Bombardier was well-aware of the track gauge before submitting its bid. It's not like it was a secret.
The sad part is that the public's perception is that the TTC is at fault, when it is obvious that all of this issues are internal to Bombardier.
"Unique streetcar track gauge; on a nine-week strike here last summer; on problems designing a ramp to load disabled passengers; and on managing inventory of parts." None of these issues are the TTC's problem. Where are the streetcars that Bombardier committed to providing, fully knowing that they would be designing a car to fit our unique track gauge, with a ramp, and would have to manage a large inventory of parts due to their "worldwide assembly chain"? They knew all of that going in, before committing to a production/delivery schedule. The strike is an unknowable, but it is hardly the TTC's fault, and likely Bombardier's own fault for letting it happen.
It sounds like they are definitely going to be paying liquidated damages on this one.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I'm not sure. But what way would Toronto have had to predict Bombardier's delays nearly a decade ahead of time?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
How much could Bombardier be losing over this?
the lemur
Senior Member
Presumably being able to work to the track gauge would have been part of getting the order in the first place!
AFAIK the ramp exists and works - the designing of it can't really be considered a current problem.