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The main problem is the suburban sprawl thinking of the 1950's on. The low density is very expensive for transit systems to operate in.

The road designs also don't help. Too many cul-de-sacs that lead nowhere. For example, Dundas Street east of Ossington was created by connecting several east-west roads into one road. There are roads in the outer 416 which would benefit by being interconnected, to create better transit service, but aren't.
 
TTC hillairty story of the day:

(names and locations changed to protect the innocent)

So on the bus this morning, the driver was paged by CIS.
Instead of picking up the handset, he turned the speaker on so we could all hear.

So, not only do the supervisors still knot know where the buses are, if they are on schedule or even what direction they are going, they don't even know who is driving the bus!

Ha ha ha. Thanks for sharing that (and thanks to the driver for sharing that).

That really says something about the major problems with the CIS system. It's clear that even if the TTC wanted to put effort into ensuring that routes are properly managed, that they don't currently have the tools to do so. The new system needs to be rolled out IMMEDIATELY.
 
So, not only do the supervisors still not know where the buses are, if they are on schedule or even what direction they are going, they don't even know who is driving the bus!

So I guess GPS-based time-countdowns at each stop are about 40 years away?
 
I fully agree, it's a truly horrible experience when compared to the rest of the world outside of North America. Compared to NYC, Chicago, Montreal and the other major North American cities I've experienced it holds its own... we simply don't value transit like the Europeans and advanced Asian countries seem to.

My year in Seoul showed me what can happen when transit is a priority. They have individual subway lines (line 1 comes to mind) with more stops then Toronto's entire system, above ground bus routes that go EVERYWHERE and comes every 3-4 minutes (no joke), regional commuter trains come in two flavours - slower and cheap (like a GO train) and high-speed (KTX, like nothing we have) giving transit riders the choice between speed and fares. They can get pretty much everywhere in Seoul by bus or subway. The fare is calculated based on distance traveled (averaging less than $1 per trip) using a smart T-Money card that even works in taxi's and variety stores and knows when you're transfering, the stations are always spotlessly clean and have ample washroom facilities (again, spotless) at EVERY STATION... not to mention the countless employees available to help at all times. Most cell phones are integrated into the network as well so you can calculate trip times, see any delays, and of course use your cell phone anywhere in the tunnels.

The government refuses to cut anything transit related, it's an absolute priority receiving massive investment by all levels of government. They do have a wider gap in classes than we do and have a lower portion of low-income earners the need the transit system to be what it is, but if you go on rush hour it's all well-dressed people and suits that most likely have a car in the driveway at home.

The real problem is the lack of funding from the feds and the province, the TTC's hands are tied. Transit on all levels in this country needs to be a priority, the TTC is just an example of how horribly it's all gone.

This is the key that everyone ignores. The TTC should be evaluated for what it is. Comparisons to systems in Europe and Asia that are much better funded makes very little sense.

There's a lot of room for improvement, but given the funding it receives, I've always thought the TTC does a pretty good job.

I'm curious...assuming the TTC didn't use unionzed workers that often make very good money, how much could they realistically save each year?
 
andomando:

Clearly a certain member think that rehashing the same old in the wrong subforum when there are 10 billion threads devoted to various shades of the same theme is a good idea (not to mention the sheer lunacy of the initial assertion of TTC being the worst transit system in the developed world being wildly offbase and designed to do one thing - inflame - and this coming from someone who felt that TTC is pretty sub-par). Flinging accusations of "abuse of powers" of course makes it all the more juicier.

Like honestly, I wouldn't pay too much attention to anyone whose posting history is 90% one liner bitchfest material.

Oh and somehow I find it interesting that someone accusing others of abuse of power would decide to have five different accounts (four active, one banned) on the forum

Antón
Corisco
Felino
Viriatus
Virus (banned)

Like honestly, I don't have time for these stupid games.

AoD

Where did this come from? I simply suggested to move to a more applicable subforum! I don't believe I've ever accused the mods of abusing their power, let alone thought of it.:confused:
 
I'm curious...assuming the TTC didn't use unionzed workers that often make very good money, how much could they realistically save each year?

Salaries are the largest expense so it likely would be a significant savings from an operational point of view. It comes down to the percentage of support staff workers as they tend to be those grossly overpaid (sometimes even at the costs of the operators and management)
 
Where did this come from? I simply suggested to move to a more applicable subforum! I don't believe I've ever accused the mods of abusing their power, let alone thought of it.:confused:

He wasn't talking about you. He was just making a response to stating why the topic has been beaten to death.
 
andomano:

My response (meant to be sarcastic) wasn't directed at you - but rather the individual who started this thread. Apologies for the confusion.

AoD
 
andomando:

Clearly a certain member think that rehashing the same old in the wrong subforum when there are 10 billion threads devoted to various shades of the same theme is a good idea (not to mention the sheer lunacy of the initial assertion of TTC being the worst transit system in the developed world being wildly offbase and designed to do one thing - inflame - and this coming from someone who felt that TTC is pretty sub-par). Flinging accusations of "abuse of powers" of course makes it all the more juicier.

Like honestly, I wouldn't pay too much attention to anyone whose posting history is 90% one liner bitchfest material.

Oh and somehow I find it interesting that someone accusing others of abuse of power would decide to have five different accounts (four active, one banned) on the forum

Antón
Corisco
Felino
Viriatus
Virus (banned)

Like honestly, I don't have time for these stupid games.

AoD

Then stop paying attention and move on. I've seen your sarcasm all over this forum. You love attacking people by using sarcasm, pathetic.

So I give my opinion of the TTC to get people talking about a popular subject and this is what you do? Talk about abuses of power. Not only is it an abuse of power to show everyone this, it's also unprofessional.
 
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TTC is awesome. Just been living in Waterloo Region for 10 years.

The routes are few and far between, the service is too infrequent, the busses come late or not at all, they short turn without notice, the express service sits in rush hour traffic. At least most of the drivers are friendly.

^^just as unproductive and pointless.
 
The routes are few and far between, the service is too infrequent, the busses come late or not at all, they short turn without notice, the express service sits in rush hour traffic. At least most of the drivers are friendly.

^^just as unproductive and pointless.

Toronto is much different than Waterloo, of course.

Toronto should be compared to Madrid, we have the population in the central core to support a couple more subway lines.
 
The only change I would suggest for the TTC is they change the transfer rules, here in Calgary you can go any direction for 90 minutes, with stopovers.
 
Salaries are the largest expense so it likely would be a significant savings from an operational point of view. It comes down to the percentage of support staff workers as they tend to be those grossly overpaid (sometimes even at the costs of the operators and management)

So what do you think we'd be looking at?
 

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