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Its not the size that matters.

Until we have ATC installed on a line you cannot have any barriers of any kind at all.
Well, it's not impossible to have platform screen doors without ATC. They'll just be long delays when trains arrive at stations in order to manually line up with the doors. I'm not saying they should go this route, just suggesting that it is an option.

Edit: @Richard White lol, nice comment snipe. :mad:
 
Well, it's not impossible to have platform screen doors without ATC. They'll just be long delays when trains arrive at stations in order to manually line up with the doors. I'm not saying they should go this route, just suggesting that it is an option.

It's not really an option, the TTC needs to run trains in close proximity (one reason ATC is happening) to cope with the number of passengers; trying to 'manually' line up doors with screens would certainly add time to each station stop and mean fewer trains could be run.
 
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East end TTC track work brings streetcar service changes

June 19, 2018

This summer, the TTC and City of Toronto are carrying out extensive upgrades to aging streetcar tracks along Broadview Ave. between Danforth Ave. and Dundas St. East, resulting in temporary TTC service modifications and traffic restrictions.

Starting this Sun., June 24 until Sept. 8,, crews will replace track along Broadview Ave. between Dundas St. E. and Gerrard St. E., and at both of these intersections. There will also be spot repairs on the track and concrete between Simpson and Danforth Aves. between June 25 and July 23. The road will remain open to cars and buses.

The first phase of replacement work will begin with track at the Broadview/Dundas intersection followed by tracks between Dundas and Gerrard streets. This phase of the work is expected to be completed in late July.

Phase 2 includes replacing track in the complex intersection at Broadview Ave. and Gerrard St. E., and is scheduled to be completed by Sept. 8.

During this work, service on the 504/304 King, 505 Dundas, 506/306 Carlton and 514 Cherry routes will be impacted.

The TTC is providing important information to customers through posters, pole cards and customer service ambassadors at Broadview Station and along the impacted routes. Detailed updates will also be available at https://eur04.safelinks.protection....boI/ZGl1+zqGO7p5nvo3Pl8UAeTy5+gCM=&reserved=0

Changes in service are as follows (See attached map for more details):
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Phase 1 (June 24 - July 23) - Broadview Ave. and Dundas St. E. intersection, and Broadview Ave. track.

- As 504 King streetcars will not be able to travel to Broadview Station, streetcar service on this route and 514 Cherry will be temporarily replaced with four alternate services as follows:

- 504A streetcar will operate between Dundas West Station and the Distillery Loop.
- 504B/503 streetcar will operate on weekdays between Dufferin Gate Loop and Bingham Loop. (Note: westbound streetcars will be signed 504 Dufferin and eastbound streetcars will be signed 503 Victoria Park).
- 504C will operate between Dufferin Gate Loop and Queen St. E./Woodbine Ave. weeknights, and Saturdays, Sundays and holidays. (Note: westbound streetcars will be signed 504 Dufferin and eastbound streetcars will be signed 504 Greenwood and Queen).
- Buses signed 504D will run between Broadview Station and King St. E./Parliament St. via Broadview Ave., Gerrard St. E. and River St. with bus/streetcar transfer points along King St. E. between River and Parliament streets.

- Replacement buses operating on the 505 Dundas will divert both ways around the closed intersection via Dundas St, River St, Gerrard St, and Broadview Ave.

- The 506/306 Carlton replacement bus service is unaffected during this phase, but will continue to be extended to Victoria Park Station due to construction at Main Street Station.

- Overnight 304 King streetcar service will operate between Dundas West Station and Queen St. E./Kingston Rd. 304 King bus service will operate between University Ave. and Broadview Station.


Phase 2 (July 24 - Sept. 8) - Broadview Ave. and Gerrard St. intersection:

- Streetcar service remains the same as in Phase 1, but 504D buses will run between Broadview Station and King St. E./Parliament St. via Broadview Ave., Jack Layton Way, St. Matthews Rd., Gerrard St. E., River St. and King St. E. with bus/streetcar transfer points along King St. E. between River and Parliament streets.

- 505 Dundas replacement buses will divert both ways around the closed intersection via Jack Layton Way, St. Matthews Rd., Gerrard St. E. and River St.

- 506/306 replacement buses will divert both ways around the closed intersection via Logan Ave., Dundas St. E. and River St., and will continue to be extended to Victoria Park Station due to construction at Main Street Station.

- Overnight 304 King streetcar service will operate between Dundas West Station and Queen St. E./Kingston Rd. 304 King bus service will operate between University Ave. and Broadview Station.

Note to cyclists: during this work, TTC buses will operate on streets typically serviced by streetcars, many of which are equipped with dedicated bike lanes. On these routes, buses service these stops at the curb. TTC operators use extreme caution when operating on these routes during the busy cycling season.

Customers traveling through this area over the summer are advised to plan ahead and leave extra time. The TTC will keep customers informed with notices posted at stops and via ttc.ca and through social media.
 
It just makes the system fails harder when it does fail - because fail it will. The old adage of not putting all your eggs in the same basket applies.
AoD
And the RL's need is two-fold. Yes, primarily to Relieve the #1, but also to facilitate quickly-growing shoulder areas to the east (and eventually west) of the core.
 
How does that stop suicides?

It reduces accidents at busy stations, and limits space for pushing people onto the tracks as what may have happened yesterday. There isn't $1 billion available right now for platform screen doors as estimated, so this at least reduces open space along the platform edge.
 
It reduces accidents at busy stations, and limits space for pushing people onto the tracks as what may have happened yesterday. There isn't $1 billion available right now for platform screen doors as estimated, so this at least reduces open space along the platform edge.
The last time someone was pushed onto the track was 1997.. Not sure such a large expenditure is required for something so rare.

I don't understand the need for platform screen doors - maybe one day (far off) when we have no other infrastructure priorities in this city.
 
The last time someone was pushed onto the track was 1997.. Not sure such a large expenditure is required for something so rare.

I don't understand the need for platform screen doors - maybe one day (far off) when we have no other infrastructure priorities in this city.
Besides the obvious suicide and crowded platform benefits, platform screen doors also allow trains to pull into stations faster since they don't have to worry about people on platforms potentially crossing the yellow line, resulting in more frequent service. But yes, they shouldn't be installed instead of another project, but should be independent on new projects though that kind of thinking and funding is unlikely.
 
It reduces accidents at busy stations, and limits space for pushing people onto the tracks as what may have happened yesterday.
Accidents and murders are rare. Yesterday's murder seems to be a once-in-a-generation thing. Mostly it's suicides, and this does nothing to stop this.

There isn't $1 billion available right now for platform screen doors as estimated, so this at least reduces open space along the platform edge.
But it also requires trains to stop exactly in the same place - which is going to reduce capacity of the line, unless ATC is in place. Most of these recent incidents are on Line 2, which is years and about a $billion dollars away from ATC.

Probably the best thing to do, is install doors at a single Line 2 station that currently has ATC, and see how it works, before committing to a program of upgrading stations.
 
I don't understand the need for platform screen doors - maybe one day (far off) when we have no other infrastructure priorities in this city.

I mean, it would have prevented yesterday's clusterf***

Widespread subway outages infuriate sweaty TTC riders

Over the past hour, injuries at track level have so far reported at both Bloor-Yonge and College Stations.

But basically 80% of the most serious delays are caused either by an "incident at track level" or smoke or signalling problems from debris on the tracks. So it's an investment in reliability.

If anything they should prioritize PSDs as soon as they finish resignalling line 1.
 
I mean, it would have prevented yesterday's clusterf***

Widespread subway outages infuriate sweaty TTC riders



But basically 80% of the most serious delays are caused either by an "incident at track level" or smoke or signalling problems from debris on the tracks. So it's an investment in reliability.

If anything they should prioritize PSDs as soon as they finish resignalling line 1.
Sounds like the TTC was having another of its increasingly frequent 'bad days'.

Still doesn't justify $1bn in expenditures for something that's not going to materially improve anyone's commute or address SOGR.
 
Sounds like the TTC was having another of its increasingly frequent 'bad days'.

Still doesn't justify $1bn in expenditures for something that's not going to materially improve anyone's commute or address SOGR.

I would say that not having to wait 2 hours to board a train/replacement shuttle bus because the subway system has effectively shut down counts as a "material improvement."

Likely to never happen. Ther isn't a subway system anywhere in the world that would waste money on it.

"There isn't a subway system anywhere in the world" - that's a pretty strong statement, and also false. I can think of several that I've been to that do:
Hong Kong, for instance:

There's no more perfect way to travel

As all of our trains and most of our stations are air-conditioned, you will enjoy a relaxed, hassle-free environment every time you travel with us. This is something you'll be especially glad of during Hong Kong's hot, humid summer months. To ensure your every journey with us is a pleasant one, our staffs also keep all MTR stations and trains spotlessly clean at all times.

Singapore is another example.

The point is that once you have full-length PSDs, you would only be air-conditioning the station areas and not the tunnels/outside, so air conditioning would be feasible.
 
Likely to never happen. Ther isn't a subway system anywhere in the world that would waste money on it.

@aquateam was entirely on point.

But let me add to his list the PARIS Metro.

Note that Paris is nowhere near as warm in the summer as Toronto, at least in my experience.

Further they are installing a/c on Line 1 as a retrofit, in conjuction w/platform edge doors.

http://humantransit.org/2010/07/paris-the-new-old-metro-line-1.html

"No system in the world" sigh.....
 

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