[CityStay]

What difference does it make? It's not as if train has an independent supply of air. Sooner or later everyone would be inhaling smoke. I'd be worried about escaping a potential fire.

 

[picard102]

What difference does it make? It's not as if train has an independent supply of air. Sooner or later everyone would be inhaling smoke. I'd be worried about escaping a potential fire.

Unless the train is on fire, there isn't any reason to start with the useless heroics and endangering yourself and others.

 

[Richard White]

Unless the train is on fire, there isn't any reason to start with the useless heroics and endangering yourself and others.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. If you see smoke there is likely a fire. Just because you cannot see flames underneath the train or inside an electrical panel does not mean it is not flaming.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Also don't forget - the lights supposed to have gone out in that train. Smoke and darkness will make people go into flight mode. Coupled with the frankly lackadaisical communication TTC is known for I am not inclined to blame anyone for doing what they did. Report: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/commuter...nel-after-fire-suspends-ttc-service-1.4711035

As to fires of significance - there was also a fire at College at the (northern) end of the station about a decade ago that lead to some ceiling damage (that wasn't repaired for ages).

AoD

 

[CityStay]

Unless the train is on fire, there isn't any reason to start with the useless heroics and endangering yourself and others.

It's not about "heroics", it's about not wanting to become a skeletal remain while waiting for the TTC to figure out what's going on.
Look up 'DRL' if you need.

 

[picard102]

It's not about "heroics", it's about not wanting to become a skeletal remain while waiting for the TTC to figure out what's going on.
Look up 'DRL' if you need.

Cool, and endangering everyone else while you panic like an idiot.

 

[lenaitch]

It is interesting that many pass calm judgement on the reaction of others faced with a frightening and unfamiliar situation from the comfort of a keyboard, As several have mentioned, the action is not necessarily condoned as it is understood. Absent training, the survival response is visceral, not rational.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Also don't forget - the lights supposed to have gone out in that train

Except they don't there are some lights above the doors that stay on. I was on a train Monday morning that lost power in-between Chester and Pape. The driver of the train was able to cost the train into Pape so that people could get off the train if they needed to.

 

[Richard White]

Except they don't there are some lights above the doors that stay on. I was on a train Monday morning that lost power in-between Chester and Pape. The driver of the train was able to cost the train into Pape so that people could get off the train if they needed to.

Yes but it is not that much lighting, I have been on a train where the power went off. When the lights go out the feeling is the same.

 

[44 North]

It is interesting that many pass calm judgement on the reaction of others faced with a frightening and unfamiliar situation from the comfort of a keyboard, As several have mentioned, the action is not necessarily condoned as it is understood. Absent training, the survival response is visceral, not rational.

 

[AlbertHWagstaff]

They should and I am surprised they do not. GO transit has an axe onboard but they do not have a smoke detector.

I think the axe has been axed. The tool cabinets appear to be empty on most cars now.

 

[W. K. Lis]

December 12, 2019
TTC Board Meeting Agenda and Reports

See link.

Presentations/Reports/Other Business

1. Chief Executive Officer’s Report – December 2019 Update (For Information)
2. Approved Minutes of the Advisory Committee on Accessible Transit (ACAT) General Monthly Meeting for October 31, 2019 (For Information)
3. Presentation to 2019 Retiring Members of the Advisory Committee on Accessible Transit (ACAT) (For Action)
4. 40, 45 & 50 Years Long Service Acknowledgement for 2019 (For Information)
5. Toronto-York Spadina Subway Extension– Downsview Park Station Contract A35-25 (This report is about litigation or potential litigation and contains advice or communications that are subject to solicitor-client privelege) (For Action)
6. Financial Update for the Period Ended October 5, 2019 and Major Projects Update (For Information)
7. Supply of Genuine OEM Cummins Parts (For Action)
8. Design Services – Streetcar and Bus Infrastructure (For Action)
9. Subway Public Washroom Cleaning (For Action)
10. North York Community Council Member Motion NY8.47: Allen Greenway Improvements (For Action)
11. City Council Transmittal – Audit Committee Item 4.1 – Cyber Safety: A Robust Cybersecurity Program Needed to Mitigate Current and Emerging Threats (For Action)
12. Notice of Motion – Review of 70 O’Connor Bus Route (submitted by Commissioner Bradford, seconded by Commissioner McKelvie) (For Action)
13. Notice of Motion – Review of 92 Woodbine South Bus Route (submitted by Commissioner Bradford, seconded by Commissioner McKelvie) (For Action)
14. Notice of Motion – Improving Accessibility Connections (submitted by Vice-Chair Heisey, seconded by Commissioner De Laurentiis) (For Action)
15. Subway Closures - 2019 Review and 2020-2022 Forecast (For Action)
16. 5-Year Service Plan & 10-Year Outlook (For Action)
    Attachment 1: TTC 5-Year Service Plan & 10-Year Outlook

 

[Richard White]

December 12, 2019
TTC Board Meeting Agenda and Reports

See link.

Presentations/Reports/Other Business

1. Chief Executive Officer’s Report – December 2019 Update (For Information)
2. Approved Minutes of the Advisory Committee on Accessible Transit (ACAT) General Monthly Meeting for October 31, 2019 (For Information)
3. Presentation to 2019 Retiring Members of the Advisory Committee on Accessible Transit (ACAT) (For Action)
4. 40, 45 & 50 Years Long Service Acknowledgement for 2019 (For Information)
5. Toronto-York Spadina Subway Extension– Downsview Park Station Contract A35-25 (This report is about litigation or potential litigation and contains advice or communications that are subject to solicitor-client privelege) (For Action)
6. Financial Update for the Period Ended October 5, 2019 and Major Projects Update (For Information)
7. Supply of Genuine OEM Cummins Parts (For Action)
8. Design Services – Streetcar and Bus Infrastructure (For Action)
9. Subway Public Washroom Cleaning (For Action)
10. North York Community Council Member Motion NY8.47: Allen Greenway Improvements (For Action)
11. City Council Transmittal – Audit Committee Item 4.1 – Cyber Safety: A Robust Cybersecurity Program Needed to Mitigate Current and Emerging Threats (For Action)
12. Notice of Motion – Review of 70 O’Connor Bus Route (submitted by Commissioner Bradford, seconded by Commissioner McKelvie) (For Action)
13. Notice of Motion – Review of 92 Woodbine South Bus Route (submitted by Commissioner Bradford, seconded by Commissioner McKelvie) (For Action)
14. Notice of Motion – Improving Accessibility Connections (submitted by Vice-Chair Heisey, seconded by Commissioner De Laurentiis) (For Action)
15. Subway Closures - 2019 Review and 2020-2022 Forecast (For Action)
16. 5-Year Service Plan & 10-Year Outlook (For Action)
    Attachment 1: TTC 5-Year Service Plan & 10-Year Outlook

I could not find the list of scheduled closures referenced in item 15.

Anyone have a proposed list of closures?

 

[W. K. Lis]

I could not find the list of scheduled closures referenced in item 15.

Anyone have a proposed list of closures?

Likely by December 12th, at the meeting, because it is "subject to change".

 

[ViveleCanada]

Found an error in their service plan on page 54. Whoever wrote the document mixed up the Dundas BRT and the Durham-Scarborough BRT. Or perhaps the graphic design team at the TTC are trying out a new design choice, who knows.

As expected, most of the future expenses are unfunded in the plan. Not sure if John Tory's new tax hike will put a dent in the unfunded list. Hopefully, the federal government can kick in some money. I doubt the provincial government would be throwing in any significant amount anytime soon considering they are paying for the city's share of their transit plan.