[reinventingthewheel]

I thought Ebikes are still allowed?

What other transit agencies? I search and find quite the opposite... It seems the ttc is one of the first...

Try searching with criteria of publications earlier than 2024. Otherwise everything on Google points to TTC and ML.

A cursory search tells me there are bans from 10+ UK-based transit operators, several in Spain, and PATH service in New York. I’m sure there are more if we searched with some language agnostic mechanism.

 

[adys123]

Isn’t that what we just did? Asking overworked staff to check the certifications of ebike batteries is unworkable. And besides, you can buy fraudulent batteries on Aliexpress with false ETL/CSA/UL marks. In short, if the battery comes from China, it cannot be trusted. Full stop.

Same with the insane, vagrants and junkies on the TTC. Perhaps the risk of ebike fires will push for greater enforcement of all TTC Bylaws across the system.

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But I don’t recommend it.

But seriously, Canada makes its own ev buses, using batteries made in North America and Europe. https://novabus.com/en/ We don’t need crap from China.

Admiral, these comments are extremely prejudiced and I advise that you tone it down. I remind you that most of the goods you purchase do originate in China, including a large majority of safe lithium ion batteries. We can discuss battery manufacturing and quality control without discriminating.

 

[txlseries4]

What other transit agencies? I search and find quite the opposite... It seems the ttc is one of the first...

Included in the staff recommendation to the board was a "Summary of E-bike Regulations Jurisdictional Scan" on the last 3 pages, here's screenshots of it

 

[generalcanada]

Included in the staff recommendation to the board was a "Summary of E-bike Regulations Jurisdictional Scan" on the last 3 pages, here's screenshots of it

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Litterally all of those rules are sensible

 

[T3G]

Same with the insane, vagrants and junkies on the TTC. Perhaps the risk of ebike fires will push for greater enforcement of all TTC Bylaws across the system.

It won't, and there will be no enforcement of the ebike bylaw either, and within a few months it will fall out of the public consciousness and we will all go back to what we were doing before.

 

[Admiral Beez]

We can discuss battery manufacturing and quality control without discriminating.

I recommend we all be discriminating, in the true sense of the word in what we purchase and in what our governments purchase on our behalf. If we offend China, so be it.

 

[Admiral Beez]

It won't, and there will be no enforcement of the ebike bylaw either, and within a few months it will fall out of the public consciousness and we will all go back to what we were doing before.

Sad, but likely true. We’ve somehow forgotten as a society that laws and bylaws without enforcement are no rules at all.

 

[Richard White]

Sad, but likely true. We’ve somehow forgotten as a society that laws and bylaws without enforcement are no rules at all.

Think of it like no bicycles on transit during rush hour. Technically, you are not permitted to have bikes on the TTC during rush hour but nobody enforces it.

 

[drum118]

Deputy Prime Minister announces $1.2 billion for Toronto ​

 

[DSCToronto]

Deputy Prime Minister announces $1.2 billion for Toronto​

This presser was posted last week, it's not MORE $$$ :->

 

[Admiral Beez]

Think of it like no bicycles on transit during rush hour. Technically, you are not permitted to have bikes on the TTC during rush hour but nobody enforces it.

Enforcement does work. I used to work near Port Credit and sometimes would take the Go Train instead of drive. On my first day I rode my bicycle to Union and went to put it on the train, when I was quickly intercepted by the platform staffer who told me that even though bicycles are allowed in the counterflow trains, they're not allowed on the platform at Union during rush hour. I apologized and she let me on, but from then onwards I would bikeshare it to Union and from Port Credit I would walk to the office.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

Enforcement does work. I used to work near Port Credit and sometimes would take the Go Train instead of drive. On my first day I rode my bicycle to Union and went to put it on the train, when I was quickly intercepted by the platform staffer who told me that even though bicycles are allowed in the counterflow trains, they're not allowed on the platform at Union during rush hour. I apologized and she let me on, but from then onwards I would bikeshare it to Union and from Port Credit I would walk to the office.

This is an example of education more than enforcement. You were not deterred by any means. Technically speaking, only moral obligation prevented you from disobeying at future opportunities.

I’m not suggesting an alternative approach, just calling out very weak evidence.

 

[T3G]

On my first day I rode my bicycle to Union and went to put it on the train, when I was quickly intercepted by the platform staffer who told me that even though bicycles are allowed in the counterflow trains, they're not allowed on the platform at Union during rush hour.

And how do these geniuses think that people get bikes onto those counter flow trains, teleportation?!

 

[Admiral Beez]

And how do these geniuses think that people get bikes onto those counter flow trains, teleportation?!

She said go to Exhibition.

This is an example of education more than enforcement. You were not deterred by any means. Technically speaking, only moral obligation prevented you from disobeying at future opportunities.

That same platform staffer was there on my next trip. She would have got me. Besides, education is often part of enforcement - once I was told I was breaking the by-law I adjusted my behaviour. I didn't need a fine, just a nudge.

 

[T3G]

Brilliant!

A society with laws and bylaws only works if those laws and bylaws are simple, clear, easy to follow, and not overbearing on existence. You shouldn't need to carry a rule book on your person to know what it is you are and aren't allowed to do. How is ANYONE supposed to know that bikes aren't allowed on the platform unless a staffer gives them a bollocking? I haven't seen any signs anywhere in the station for this. And telling them to go to Exhibition doesn't make any sense, it sounds like someone is on a power trip.

To that end, if we want the TTC to start enforcing their bylaws, they might do well to rethink some of them first. There's a lot of highly subjective word salad in the bylaw that means nothing, such as "behaving in a manner which would interfere with the ordinary enjoyment of persons using the transit system" or "using profane, insulting or obscene language or gestures" (if I say "shit!" in conversation with a friend, am I supposed to get a fine?) And If I was ticketed for loitering because I was standing around photoing buses instead of traveling, I would be incensed.