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nfitz
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I really don't see how a single soccer game at a relatively small stadium with a crowd of 45,000 is going to be a massive challenge. How's this different than the same number and huge crowds outdoors at Skydome for the 2025 World Series. They didn't have years to plan that, and it went fine ... except the 11-inning game 7 that didn't end until after midnight, with the post-game ceremonies, etc., going to about 1 AM, where GO Transit failed to run trains late enough, and even TTC could have extended the subways a bit more. But was there any traffic or other effects north of King Street, or west of Spadina?
I don't think we'll be having 4-hour soccer games. And 35,000 to 40,000 people events certainly haven't caused much issue at BMO Field in the past - even though GO service has been improved since then.
I can't see all the fuss really, outside of some security improvements. Do we really need temporary HOV lanes on the Gardiner (I'll take permanent ones though!)
zang
Senior Member
Arguably with the WS, the majority of fans in the stadium will have been people that live within a few hours of Toronto, then head back home after the event. FIFA WC is a much bigger beast that draws in people from all over the planet; it gets bigger viewership than the Olympics and absolutely dwarves "local" events like the Superbowl.
Jonny5
Senior Member
Yes. There's a couple issues here of concern.
- Many people attending will be tourists who know almost nothing about Toronto, and will have difficulty figuring out where they are supposed to go and how to get there. They also may not speak English at all, so they cannot simply get quick assistance on directions by asking someone. There will no doubt be a lot of bottlenecks of pedestrian flow from this.
- There will also be thousands, if not ten thousand visiting fans who come here with tickets for only one single game, or no tickets at all, but still want the whole "experience" of all the games (get ready for hundreds of obnoxious social media influencers everywhere you go,) so I would expect there will be thousands of foreigners in town for the whole thing, descending on places like Liberty Village and any other sports bars downtown where they will no doubt have the games on and they can at least watch it there, or head over to the Ex grounds so they can hear it. This is definitely a thing that happens for the World Cup.
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nfitz
Superstar
Fair enough - though no teams will have multiple games in Toronto, so lots will be transient.
Still I don't think there'll be many issues, especially with the (over!) preparedness.
Even for a regular TFC match today at BMO Field, there I counted 7 GO staff, 2 police, and 3 hired security - just at the GO station! And there were no trains today, with the platforms partitioned off! Probably TTC staff at Exhibition loop too, I'd assume.
yrt+viva=1system
Senior Member
It does seem like the TTC is sleepwalking into the World Cup events. The most concerning I would say is their over confidence that the streetcar network can handle the crowds. We all know that this is far from reality. They can’t even run extra streetcars without blowing the electrical grid.
Considering where the BMO Field is located, there’s not as many high capacity transit alternatives. Heck even on Canadian Exhibition days the TTC struggles; it just that it’s brushed under the carpet cause it’s a local level event. Whereas the Skydome (yes I chose to call it that) is next multiple high capacity transit options that can relieve the area quickly and through many routes.
Considering where the BMO Field is located, there’s not as many high capacity transit alternatives. Heck even on Canadian Exhibition days the TTC struggles; it just that it’s brushed under the carpet cause it’s a local level event. Whereas the Skydome (yes I chose to call it that) is next multiple high capacity transit options that can relieve the area quickly and through many routes.
nfitz
Superstar
There's more capacity for streetcars at Dufferin Gate loop than they usually use, even after matches. And generally they go as fast as they overload them at Exhibition loop after a match; with only half going up Bathurst there's a limit on how many they can run.
I'm not sure which section of Bathurst track that the wire that shorted during the CNE at King and Shaw feeds, how that particular section was loaded, and how that compares to the rest of the system. I'd assume they'll have figured out the weak spots by now, and will be careful to now put too many cars in those sections.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Your optimism is good to see but the fact that the TTC failed to deal with the Bathurst power problem before it caused any cancellations is really not a great vote of confidence in their knowledge about their system or their ability to plan and execute change.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Didn’t they run express buses to the CNE to add capacity to the Bathurst corridor? I would imagine they could do that again.
nfitz
Superstar
I'd think there was some right-hand and left-hand. Operations weren't in the know clearly. But the department that deals with the overhead, I'd guess, that someone was aware of generally what the limits were. If it was me I'd have made a single low-key vague warning, and then sat back and thought "this will be an interesting experiment".
King and Queen have both been stressed to death in recent years, without similar issues. I can't imagine that they won't be more aware.
Was there a final determination on this? At the time, TTC said that they were still investigating, although they did know that the extra service would have stressed this location.
Ratazana
Active Member
After the opening of Line 5, the 35 Jane bus has been split into two: 35 runs from Mount Dennis (Eglinton) north to Pioneer Village (Steeles) while the new 27 bus runs from Mount Dennis south to Line 2 Jane station (Bloor).
The split has cause a lot of confusion to regular patrons during the first few weeks. As expected, the TTC Jane Station bus departure displays were switched to the generic ‘call this number’ message instead of displaying the ‘next bus’ info. Totally not surprised given TTC’s lack of urgency to properly communicate with customers overall…
Well, they finally turned the next bus info back on after almost 2 months…unfortunately…(see pic)
The split has cause a lot of confusion to regular patrons during the first few weeks. As expected, the TTC Jane Station bus departure displays were switched to the generic ‘call this number’ message instead of displaying the ‘next bus’ info. Totally not surprised given TTC’s lack of urgency to properly communicate with customers overall…
Well, they finally turned the next bus info back on after almost 2 months…unfortunately…(see pic)
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The 935 JANE EXPRESS bypasses Mt. Dennis Station entirely, stays on Jane Street. Does stop at Eglinton Avenue West for those who wish to transfer to any bus going to Mt. Dennis Station.After the opening of Line 5, the 35 Jane bus has been split into two: 35 runs from Mount Dennis (Eglinton) north to Pioneer Village (Steeles) while the new 27 bus runs from Mount Dennis south to Line 2 Jane station (Bloor).
The split has cause a lot of confusion to regular patrons during the first few weeks. As expected, the TTC Jane Station bus departure displays were switched to the generic ‘call this number’ message instead of displaying the ‘next bus’ info. Totally not surprised given TTC’s lack of urgency to properly communicate with customers overall…
Well, they finally turned the next bus info back on after almost 2 months…unfortunately…(see pic)
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Steve X
Senior Member
If you go to Transit Toronto and look at the history of the 7 Bathurst route in the late 70s when the Spadina subway opened, you can see they did a similar arrangement with that route. One branch between Steeles and Wilson Station (this became the 160), one branch between Steeles and St Clair West Station and another between Wilson and Bathurst Station. It became clear more people wanted to travel directly between Line 2 and Steeles than to transfer to Line 1 and take it at St Clair West. So after all those branches, the 7 finally became a single branch route by 2009 while the 160 was mainly for York Region.After the opening of Line 5, the 35 Jane bus has been split into two: 35 runs from Mount Dennis (Eglinton) north to Pioneer Village (Steeles) while the new 27 bus runs from Mount Dennis south to Line 2 Jane station (Bloor).
The split has cause a lot of confusion to regular patrons during the first few weeks. As expected, the TTC Jane Station bus departure displays were switched to the generic ‘call this number’ message instead of displaying the ‘next bus’ info. Totally not surprised given TTC’s lack of urgency to properly communicate with customers overall…
Well, they finally turned the next bus info back on after almost 2 months…unfortunately…(see pic)
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I think it’s eventually sort itself out if people are more willing to use line 5 or stay on line 2 to catch the 35.
line 5 will eventually reach Jane so they might merge it back together at that point.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The 27 JANE SOUTH will live until the Eglinton Line 5 is extended to Renforth Station (by 2031?). After which, the 35 JANE will return to its regularly schedule bunching of buses. Unless RapitTO: JANE fixes things.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
Decided to take a field trip to famous 501 queen stop "Parkside Dr at The Queensway North Side"
