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DSC said:
The TTC plan has Flexities on St Clair only in a couple of years - the current plan is for Spadina, Queens Quay, Bathurst, Cherry and King becoming 100% Flexity next and the other lines then coming 'on line' (as it were!) . I suspect the exact order of the next batch of lines to be converted will change but there's lots of time, the new cars are still dribbling in from BBD. The TTC DO test all the new ones in many parts of the system and, AFIK, have run them over all parts of the trackage already.
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I don't think King is on the table yet as far as the flexes are concerned the current pan is 510, 509 and 514 then 511 and then nobody is sure after that. 512 could be bumped up because of the work that has been done on it.
 
Well,we now have one favourable change with buses coming now into St.Clair West station using the east streetcar ramp,then going back up the ramp then onto the roadway.
All the platform repairs are complete and it looks like the only holdup is the continuing repair to the St.Clair-Yonge Subway Stn.
The east tracks are all clear for streetcars to use to use in the St.Clair West station when St.Clair East Stn. is done
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
I don't think King is on the table yet as far as the flexes are concerned the current pan is 510, 509 and 514 then 511 and then nobody is sure after that. 512 could be bumped up because of the work that has been done on it.
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I think they'll fill Leslie Barns first and make self-sustainable instead of using older cars for backup at Russell. Then Roncy would get them again (they already had them before Leslie opened). Russell will get them last. Once Leslie has enough cars, it'll make scheduling much easier and less time paid for operators to travel between Russell and Leslie.

511 has been shifted to Russell in anticipation of new cars. 505, 501 and 504 would be likely next as they can operate from Leslie. Eventually some runs will be based out of Roncy and that's when the 512 will get them. It doesn't make sense to send Roncy new cars while there's only 50 at Leslie (for 509, 510, 511 and 514).

If you remember the implementation schedule in 2013: https://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Co...2013/June_24/Reports/New_Streetcar_Implem.pdf (page 33)
The 512 will eventually go to Leslie. Probably when all the old cars retire. Personally, I don't think the 512 desperately need new cars. Better focus on the 501 and 504 first.
 
From this link:

St. Clair Avenue West Area - Transportation Master Plan
The City of Toronto is examining potential solutions to improve transportation options in the area around St. Clair Avenue West between Keele Street and Old Weston Road.

PROJECT UPDATE - October 2016

The evaluation of alternative solutions is not yet complete, and no solutions have been recommended to move forward at this point.

Completion of the study, including the development and evaluation of potential improvements continues to take more time than anticipated. In addition, recent infrastructure announcements, including Metrolinx’s Regional Express Rail (RER) initiative and the potential addition of a SmartTrack rail station north of St. Clair Avenue West on the Kitchener GO Transit rail corridor, have introduced added complexities that must be investigated further before recommendations are made about the St. Clair Avenue West TMP.

The City’s Project Team will be working closely with Metrolinx to coordinate SmartTrack station planning and the Regional Express Rail (RER) initiative with the City’s consideration of potential improvements to the St. Clair Avenue West bridge, new rail crossings and potential road extensions.

For more information about SmartTrack, please visit: www.toronto.ca/smarttrack

For more information about Metrolinx’s RER initiative, please visit: www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/rer/

The evaluation process for all alternative solutions being considered as part of the St. Clair TMP involves detailed technical study of traffic movement and travel patterns, constructability of solutions, costs, and impacts on the natural, cultural, and socio-economic environment.

As part of the evaluation of alternative solutions, private property impacts will be assessed. Affected property owners will be contacted in advance of any public meetings to review the study findings and potential impacts to private property.

Given the delays to the completion of the study, the next public meeting for the St. Clair TMP is expected to take place in 2017. Area residents will be notified in advance of the meeting and updates about the study progress will continue to be provided as more information becomes available.

The second public meeting will present the results of the evaluation, preferred solutions, designs, property impacts and construction staging. More information will be posted to the project website as soon as it is available.
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W. K. Lis said:
From this link:

St. Clair Avenue West Area - Transportation Master Plan
The City of Toronto is examining potential solutions to improve transportation options in the area around St. Clair Avenue West between Keele Street and Old Weston Road.
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The ST report actually provides some intresting info:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-97897.pdf (starting on page 5)

Key Design Issues:
• This station will require a well-designed, high-quality entrance at St. Clair Avenue West for passengers transferring from streetcars and buses as well as access from the north.
• The Metrolinx station concept reflects two possible road extensions to improve local street access to the station. Continued coordination with the City’s St. Clair Avenue West Area Transportation Master Plan will be needed. The Plan is currently being developed and is expected to be complete by early 2017.
• There is an opportunity to coordinate planning, design and project delivery of station with the St. Clair West Transportation Master Plan and other related area infrastructure improvements, such as improved road connections and reconstruction of the St. Clair Avenue West bridge.
• Access to the station should focus on pedestrians, cyclists and connecting transit services. No commuter parking spaces should be included as part of the station (none are shown in the Metrolinx station concept). Care will be needed in planning for a fully accessible station; however, a conventional GO multi-lane PPUDO facility is not supported by City Planning. • Adequate and convenient bicycle parking facilities will be needed at the station (the Metrolinx station concept identifies bike parking at key station access points)
• An accessible loading and unloading area needs to be provided in close proximity to the station entrance. TTC Wheel-Trans will use this area or a bus bay in an off-street bus terminal, if provided.
• The Metrolinx station concept includes a bus loop to replace the existing Townsley Loop at Old Weston Road, which would allow for the 127 Davenport bus route to be extended to directly serve the station. A high-quality connection for passengers transferring between the station platform and streetcars and buses on St. Clair Avenue West, Weston Road/Keele Street and Old Weston Road is required. Further analysis is required to develop concepts for connecting bus and streetcar routes, identify required on- and off-street facilities to provide seamless connectivity between transit modes, and identify any new capital and operating requirements for TTC budgetary purposes.
• A direct connection between the streetcar and the station would be desirable. Geometric conditions at the underpass of St. Clair Avenue West to the rail corridor make such a connection very challenging. The project team for the St. Clair Avenue West – Transportation Master Plan is considering options to provide this connection. One potential option identified by the TTC is to provide a spur of the 512 St. Clair streetcar on Old Weston Road and Townsley Street into the station. In this case, a streetcar loop would need to be provided at the station.
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They seem to be planning for using the NW corner of Old Weston Rd and St Clair as the main entrance of this new station. So we might see the whole Townsley loop redone and converted back into a large streetcar loop on Townsley St. Plus introduction of 512 branches.
 
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dt_toronto_geek said:
I took it for the first time back in the summer to get to a Dermatologist a little west of Avenue Road. The ride was smooth, quick and the streetcar arrived at Yonge as soon as my TTC app. said it would. ROW is the way to go, too bad College, King and Queen aren't wider.
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well st clair may be wide but not that wide otherwise the lanes would consistently be straight instead of constantly curving, And cars barely have room to get into a left land turn lane preventing cars from getting into the middle lanes to make the light (i.e Spadina , Bathurst, ect). They should have made the passenger pickup areas more narrow, seating is not necessary and taken some sidewalk space, The Danforth has one lane in each direction and one lane on both sides for parking yet those lanes are straight and wider. There is a third lane only used at intersections and when you need to make a left its not so narrow to get into
 
Palma said:
well st clair may be wide but not that wide otherwise the lanes would consistently be straight instead of constantly curving, And cars barely have room to get into a left land turn lane preventing cars from getting into the middle lanes to make the light (i.e Spadina , Bathurst, ect). They should have made the passenger pickup areas more narrow, seating is not necessary and taken some sidewalk space, The Danforth has one lane in each direction and one lane on both sides for parking yet those lanes are straight and wider. There is a third lane only used at intersections and when you need to make a left its not so narrow to get into
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The original right-of-way did not have left turn lanes (for single-occupant automobiles, who get priority) to deal with.

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TransitBart said:
Any idea what year that was?
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The ROW was removed in the early 1930s as a make-work project during the Great Depression, so some time before that.

Most of the photos in the City Archives are cataloged with date and location information, so if you found that exact image you could get the rest of that information.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
The building of St Clair and the ROW started in 1911

The removal of the ROW started in 1928 with the last section removed in 1935
 
Why are we talking about a street nearly 100 years ago? How does that play any role at all with issues facing St Clair today?
This isn't history class.
 
In 1911, the automobile was in its infancy and used mostly by the well off or upper middle classes. By the 1920's, most families had one car, which led to the removal of the right-of-way.

Today, families have more than one car, more like one for each driver in the family. Hence the reason why we have left turn lanes on a street that didn't need them when it was originally built. It's the left turn lanes why we have "wondering" tracks and narrow sidewalks at intersections.
 
I really think the steeet parking on st Clair and other streets is the dumbest shit ever. Takes up a whole lane of the road and not moving cars at all. If somebody needs to ge tricked up or dropped off pull into the side streets. Also it doesn't even solve parking for people that want it because it doesn't even provide that many parking spots and theyre usually full.
 
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