[lastcommodore]

Mostly, but not entirely, at grade, with longer spacing between stops and less intersections.

This is why Line 6 is significantly faster than 501, even now before they've finished ramping up to the final average speed.

They do have larger stop spacing but I would have to disagree on "less intersections". I dont have any hard numbers but just looking at it aerially i find that those trams handle a lot of intersections. Just some samples.

At no point would I describe any section of the Munich tram system as above or below grade. At best they have bridges over their basically-freeways. They effectively are totally at-grade.

FastTrackTO does mention increasing stop spacing.

 

[nfitz]

They do have larger stop spacing but I would have to disagree on "less intersections". I dont have any hard numbers but just looking at it aerially i find that those trams handle a lot of intersections. Just some samples.

I mean signalized intersections. I zoomed into a few places on your map, and they are unsignalized intersections.

But I couldn't find the trams - which line in that image are you referring to?

Look - I'm no expert on Berlin. I've never been there. But the pictures I see look mostly like the trams you see in Paris or London - that aren't in the heart of the city (but a bit of a mix).

But step back. What are the speeds on WHICH line. The city isn't homogeneous. They surely aren't all the same. And for lines that look like Finch compared to Queen - even our speed is about double!

This doesn't look like Queen!

Reduce stop spacing? Perhaps that's why in Berlin I see buses going alongside the tracks too. The lack of cars I keep seeing too seems different than Queen Street - even at it's suburban ends.

 

[urbanclient]

 

[DSCToronto]

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What does this really mean? If it simply means that the 10am streetcar will arrive at 10.10 and the 10.10 will arrive at 10.20, who cares? If it means that there are fewer streetcars on the street so the gaps are longer it DOES matter.

 

[urbanclient]

What does this really mean? If it simply means that the 10am streetcar will arrive at 10.10 and the 10.10 will arrive at 10.20, who cares? If it means that there are fewer streetcars on the street so the gaps are longer it DOES matter.

I'm not sure every delay is the same, since they said "up to 10 minutes".

Also every line except 506 Carlton is supposed to be every 5 to 6 min. If headways increase to 15 to 16 min, that would matter.

 

[evandyk]

I walked down Broadview from Danforth to Gerrard today and didn't see a single southbound 504 or 505, whether streetcar or replacement bus. I carried on across the bridge and onto King, and walked from Cherry to Sherbourne before a streetcar passed me (and that was a 510, not a 504).

Nice morning for a nice long walk, though.

 

[DSCToronto]

I'm not sure every delay is the same, since they said "up to 10 minutes".

Also every line except 506 Carlton is supposed to be every 5 to 6 min. If headways increase to 15 to 16 min, that would matter.

Yes, their message is VERY unclear!

 

[Admiral Beez]

FastTrackTO does mention increasing stop spacing.

When riding downtown it seems like there's less than 10 streetcar lengths (30m) between stops. That's just my perception.

 

[evandyk]

There are some spots where it's less than 5.

 

[nfitz]

There are some spots where it's less than 5.

There's the stop just north of Gerrard, Southbound on Broadview where it's less than 2 lengths!

 

[drum118]

There's the stop just north of Gerrard, Southbound on Broadview where it's less than 2 lengths!

Jack Layton Way is the worse one with a number from Danforth to Queen that needs to be remove.

 

[drum118]

I mean signalized intersections. I zoomed into a few places on your map, and they are unsignalized intersections.

But I couldn't find the trams - which line in that image are you referring to?

Look - I'm no expert on Berlin. I've never been there. But the pictures I see look mostly like the trams you see in Paris or London - that aren't in the heart of the city (but a bit of a mix).

But step back. What are the speeds on WHICH line. The city isn't homogeneous. They surely aren't all the same. And for lines that look like Finch compared to Queen - even our speed is about double!

This doesn't look like Queen!
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Reduce stop spacing? Perhaps that's why in Berlin I see buses going alongside the tracks too. The lack of cars I keep seeing too seems different than Queen Street - even at it's suburban ends.

From my visited to various cities in Europe, spacing of intersections various by routes and cities. There are cities that have linger blocks than Mississauga that are longer than Toronto's. And number of cities and routes were build tree mediums that now support Tram system that make the distance greater between signal intersections or were built that way from day one.

Very few tram lines have parallel bus service along them and I cannot speak to Munich as I have have never been there. May get there one day.

Lack of cars along routes is common in Europe as most are single lane with a few double lanes. A few routes nearly match Queen St.

End of the day, Europe's stops are farther apart than Toronto regardless if they are trams or buses.

 

[Admiral Beez]

There's the stop just north of Gerrard, Southbound on Broadview where it's less than 2 lengths!

Insane. There should be a policy that wherever possible stops should be at least 10 streetcar lengths apart, equal 300 meters (or 330 meters if counted from nose to tail).

 

[evandyk]

There's the stop just north of Gerrard, Southbound on Broadview where it's less than 2 lengths!

That's the one I had in mind, since I ride that streetcar/bus most days. Spadina and Sussex is pretty bad too. I think just over 2 car lengths between the Harbord and Sussex stops.