Prometheus The Supremo
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LOL!! that was a good episode.
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Brandon716
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0QAewVrR28
Hillary today made these comments, and I for one have been taken back by the nature of the comment.
The discussion goes on for several minutes and you get the real message at the end, so it isn't to be taken out of context. This is the second time in recent weeks that Hillary has brought up assassination and its somewhat troubling to me as a former supporter of hers before she clearly lost the nomination.
At this point she is so desperate that she is clinging to any words that might give her reason to be in the race, and this has went too far. I can't say I support her in many ways at this juncture due to the nature of the comments. She needs to resign the campaign and exit gracefully before the hole is dug any deeper.
Hillary today made these comments, and I for one have been taken back by the nature of the comment.
The discussion goes on for several minutes and you get the real message at the end, so it isn't to be taken out of context. This is the second time in recent weeks that Hillary has brought up assassination and its somewhat troubling to me as a former supporter of hers before she clearly lost the nomination.
At this point she is so desperate that she is clinging to any words that might give her reason to be in the race, and this has went too far. I can't say I support her in many ways at this juncture due to the nature of the comments. She needs to resign the campaign and exit gracefully before the hole is dug any deeper.
Towered
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She's going to need the help of an assassin to win the nomination at this point!
Prometheus The Supremo
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Olberman: Special Comment On Hillary's Assassination Remark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyf811vluHg
like olberman says, is it possible that she's staying in soo long because she's just waiting for something bad to happen to obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyf811vluHg
like olberman says, is it possible that she's staying in soo long because she's just waiting for something bad to happen to obama?
detroitbootybass
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Brandon716
Senior Member
Olbermann has lost a nut in his mind if he thinks he has journalistic integrity. When he devotes 10, 15 minutes to a total tirade on virtually every other program, he's no better than Bill O'Reilly on the other side of the token. These people don't have much in terms of fairness, integrity, and a journalistic backbone. They're just mouthpieces that get on with opinion for an hour every day.
Its a travesty these shows are where people get their information. We could talk about Hillary stepping down without the personal tirades.
Its a travesty these shows are where people get their information. We could talk about Hillary stepping down without the personal tirades.
Brandon716
Senior Member
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080524/ap_on_el_pr/obama_s_team
Obama's political team out-organized Clinton
WASHINGTON - Call them Kool-Aid drinkers. Political romantics. Starry-eyed dreamers.
But as the marathon Democratic primary campaign nears an end, Barack Obama's staff is on the verge of vindicating its belief that the eloquent black freshman senator from Illinois was a unique candidate who could win the Democratic nomination in one of the biggest upsets in presidential politics.
The band of Obama loyalists who imagined that could happen have stunned even themselves with their success against Hillary Rodham Clinton, who appeared to have wrapped up the nomination last year, before any votes were cast. Now, they face a new challenge with the impending nomination and campaign against Republican John McCain.
If they succeed, many team members could be helping run the country eight months from now. Presidents often appoint campaign advisers to top administration jobs.
The team was led by calm and focused campaign manager David Plouffe; their strategy was inspired by the candidate's experience as a community organizer. They built a campaign designed to accomplish what other political sensations like Gary Hart and Howard Dean failed to do — turn the energy and excitement of the Obama phenomenon into long-term results.
"I think everyone knew realistically that he was starting as an underdog," said longtime friend and adviser Valerie Jarrett. "But I don't think he would have started down this path with a team that didn't think he would win. It was going to be an uphill battle, but in the end I think we were all confident that it could be done and that he could do it."
Matching Obama's organizing background, the team has roots in conducting on-the-ground congressional campaigns across the country. Many top aides were groomed by former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt and former Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle instead of by the Clinton wing of the party. Clinton's team was built with Washington and New York operatives.
From its experience in congressional races, the Obama team understood firsthand the extent of Clinton fatigue in the heartland and the lesson of the 2006 midterm elections: America wants change.
Obama's chief directive for hiring the more than 700 staff members who eventually came to work for him was: No Drama Allowed. Obama's even demeanor is reflected in the advisers closest to him. While Clinton's campaign divided into conflicting power centers whose emotional disputes leaked publicly, any fights in the Obama campaign were kept in the family.
Plouffe embodies Obama's vision — a steady and unemotional number cruncher averse to the limelight, able to tune out noise and focus on the moves needed to reach the end game. Plouffe was the mastermind of Obama's long-range campaign plan that looked beyond the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday primaries that Clinton had predicted would deliver the nomination to her. He dispatched staff to states that Clinton's campaign overlooked, particularly small caucus states where intensive organization produced wins that swelled Obama's delegate lead.
A Gephardt guy, Plouffe had worked on campaigns that went broke, so he was notoriously cheap. Obama attracted a talented staff willing to work for much less than they could have made with Clinton. Plouffe carefully minded the bank account to preserve enough money to keep running after the wildly expensive Super Tuesday contests while Clinton's campaign went broke. She had to lend it $11.4 million to stay afloat.
In the month after Super Tuesday, Obama won 11 straight contests and took a delegate lead that Clinton has not been able to erase.
That's not to say Obama's campaign plan worked flawlessly. The initial plan was to turn a win in Iowa into a win in New Hampshire that would make his nomination unstoppable, but Clinton defeated him in New Hampshire and the campaign dragged on for months.
Now the team must reunite the fractured party and introduce Obama to a whole new swath of voters as he takes on a well-known war hero with bipartisan appeal. The campaign is rapidly adding new people, like experienced communications strategist Anita Dunn, who is married to campaign general counsel Bob Bauer and recently joined Obama's inner circle.
Obama's other closest advisers:
• David Axelrod, a former newspaper columnist who shares Obama's talent with words, is the most experienced and visible political strategist. An idealist who exudes enthusiasm for his candidate, Axelrod helps buck Obama up on the road. Also from Chicago, he can play down-and-dirty politics with a Midwestern smile.
• Jarrett, who has helped guide Obama's entire political career, brings blunt assessments only a longtime friend can provide. Jarrett has known the Obamas since before they were married, when she hired Michelle to work for Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. Known to be cool under pressure, she stepped up her campaign role last fall when Obama was a distant second to Clinton. Bringing a fresh outsider perspective, she held staff accountable.
• Pete Rouse, who has run Obama's Senate office, is known for loyalty and a self-effacing manner. Rouse brings expert knowledge of Washington to a team based in Chicago. He protects Obama's standing in the capital city and has brought in other D.C. operatives, particularly from the Daschle fold where he used to run things.
• Robert Gibbs, who has been at Obama's side since his Senate campaign, is communications director. A Southerner and tough fighter, Gibbs is a passionate defender and can channel the candidate's thoughts. He's also among a few who can frankly tell Obama what needs to improve.
• Michelle Obama, the candidate's wife, is his closest confidant. She often says, "I'm not his senior adviser, I'm his wife." But she also talks about how dinner conversations about their family are what's in his mind when he's crafting policy. She's the ultimate truth teller to the candidate; he calls her for feedback after debates. She has led the campaign's outreach to female voters: As a lawyer and hospital executive, she provides evidence that Obama respects strong women even as he's campaigning against one.
Another crucial adviser is Steve Hildebrand, who oversaw state-by-state efforts to run up Obama wins. Other key team members are finance chairwoman Penny Pritzker, finance director Julianna Smoot, policy director Heather Higginbottom, scheduling director Alyssa Mastromonaco, deputy communications director Dan Pfeiffer, national press secretary Bill Burton, economics adviser Austan Goolsbee and foreign policy aides Anthony Lake and Susan Rice.
Obama's political team out-organized Clinton
WASHINGTON - Call them Kool-Aid drinkers. Political romantics. Starry-eyed dreamers.
But as the marathon Democratic primary campaign nears an end, Barack Obama's staff is on the verge of vindicating its belief that the eloquent black freshman senator from Illinois was a unique candidate who could win the Democratic nomination in one of the biggest upsets in presidential politics.
The band of Obama loyalists who imagined that could happen have stunned even themselves with their success against Hillary Rodham Clinton, who appeared to have wrapped up the nomination last year, before any votes were cast. Now, they face a new challenge with the impending nomination and campaign against Republican John McCain.
If they succeed, many team members could be helping run the country eight months from now. Presidents often appoint campaign advisers to top administration jobs.
The team was led by calm and focused campaign manager David Plouffe; their strategy was inspired by the candidate's experience as a community organizer. They built a campaign designed to accomplish what other political sensations like Gary Hart and Howard Dean failed to do — turn the energy and excitement of the Obama phenomenon into long-term results.
"I think everyone knew realistically that he was starting as an underdog," said longtime friend and adviser Valerie Jarrett. "But I don't think he would have started down this path with a team that didn't think he would win. It was going to be an uphill battle, but in the end I think we were all confident that it could be done and that he could do it."
Matching Obama's organizing background, the team has roots in conducting on-the-ground congressional campaigns across the country. Many top aides were groomed by former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt and former Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle instead of by the Clinton wing of the party. Clinton's team was built with Washington and New York operatives.
From its experience in congressional races, the Obama team understood firsthand the extent of Clinton fatigue in the heartland and the lesson of the 2006 midterm elections: America wants change.
Obama's chief directive for hiring the more than 700 staff members who eventually came to work for him was: No Drama Allowed. Obama's even demeanor is reflected in the advisers closest to him. While Clinton's campaign divided into conflicting power centers whose emotional disputes leaked publicly, any fights in the Obama campaign were kept in the family.
Plouffe embodies Obama's vision — a steady and unemotional number cruncher averse to the limelight, able to tune out noise and focus on the moves needed to reach the end game. Plouffe was the mastermind of Obama's long-range campaign plan that looked beyond the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday primaries that Clinton had predicted would deliver the nomination to her. He dispatched staff to states that Clinton's campaign overlooked, particularly small caucus states where intensive organization produced wins that swelled Obama's delegate lead.
A Gephardt guy, Plouffe had worked on campaigns that went broke, so he was notoriously cheap. Obama attracted a talented staff willing to work for much less than they could have made with Clinton. Plouffe carefully minded the bank account to preserve enough money to keep running after the wildly expensive Super Tuesday contests while Clinton's campaign went broke. She had to lend it $11.4 million to stay afloat.
In the month after Super Tuesday, Obama won 11 straight contests and took a delegate lead that Clinton has not been able to erase.
That's not to say Obama's campaign plan worked flawlessly. The initial plan was to turn a win in Iowa into a win in New Hampshire that would make his nomination unstoppable, but Clinton defeated him in New Hampshire and the campaign dragged on for months.
Now the team must reunite the fractured party and introduce Obama to a whole new swath of voters as he takes on a well-known war hero with bipartisan appeal. The campaign is rapidly adding new people, like experienced communications strategist Anita Dunn, who is married to campaign general counsel Bob Bauer and recently joined Obama's inner circle.
Obama's other closest advisers:
• David Axelrod, a former newspaper columnist who shares Obama's talent with words, is the most experienced and visible political strategist. An idealist who exudes enthusiasm for his candidate, Axelrod helps buck Obama up on the road. Also from Chicago, he can play down-and-dirty politics with a Midwestern smile.
• Jarrett, who has helped guide Obama's entire political career, brings blunt assessments only a longtime friend can provide. Jarrett has known the Obamas since before they were married, when she hired Michelle to work for Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. Known to be cool under pressure, she stepped up her campaign role last fall when Obama was a distant second to Clinton. Bringing a fresh outsider perspective, she held staff accountable.
• Pete Rouse, who has run Obama's Senate office, is known for loyalty and a self-effacing manner. Rouse brings expert knowledge of Washington to a team based in Chicago. He protects Obama's standing in the capital city and has brought in other D.C. operatives, particularly from the Daschle fold where he used to run things.
• Robert Gibbs, who has been at Obama's side since his Senate campaign, is communications director. A Southerner and tough fighter, Gibbs is a passionate defender and can channel the candidate's thoughts. He's also among a few who can frankly tell Obama what needs to improve.
• Michelle Obama, the candidate's wife, is his closest confidant. She often says, "I'm not his senior adviser, I'm his wife." But she also talks about how dinner conversations about their family are what's in his mind when he's crafting policy. She's the ultimate truth teller to the candidate; he calls her for feedback after debates. She has led the campaign's outreach to female voters: As a lawyer and hospital executive, she provides evidence that Obama respects strong women even as he's campaigning against one.
Another crucial adviser is Steve Hildebrand, who oversaw state-by-state efforts to run up Obama wins. Other key team members are finance chairwoman Penny Pritzker, finance director Julianna Smoot, policy director Heather Higginbottom, scheduling director Alyssa Mastromonaco, deputy communications director Dan Pfeiffer, national press secretary Bill Burton, economics adviser Austan Goolsbee and foreign policy aides Anthony Lake and Susan Rice.
detroitbootybass
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adma
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King of Kensington
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In British terms, we can say Clinton vs. Obama is a "New Labour" vs. Libdem battle.
Brandon716
Senior Member
ShonTron
Moderator
It looks like its over.
If Hillary is as conciliatory as Paul Martin became once he lost the last election, then like Martin, she'll get back some of my respect. I am glad already to see that she is pulling back, as party unity is immediately necessary. I hope Obama is able to unite the party and they mend their mutual fences.
If Hillary is as conciliatory as Paul Martin became once he lost the last election, then like Martin, she'll get back some of my respect. I am glad already to see that she is pulling back, as party unity is immediately necessary. I hope Obama is able to unite the party and they mend their mutual fences.
Prometheus The Supremo
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just went to go look at his (barack obama's) wikipedia page moments ago to see the numbers and someone managed to hack the page while under semi-protection. the "n" word with exclamation points covered his name at the top of the page in big capital letters, text over text (or could have been a gif image with a transparent background over text). kinda strange, i tried to look for the code for what they did in the previous edits but couldn't find it. i took a screen capture but it's probably best not to post it.
some people are sore losers.
some people are sore losers.
Post it just to show what kind of idiots are out there.
Observer Walt
Senior Member
We already know who is out there 
I listened to Hillary's speech tonight. She spent about 20 minutes being eloquent. She then blew it by saying that she would not make any decision tonight and would take a few days to consult with some people. Why can she not read the clear writing on the wall? Now is the time (actually, earlier was the time) for her to concede graciously, pledge support to Obama, and start mending fences. I didn't have a whole lot of respect for her before, and tonight reminded me again of why that is. She speaks of principles, but keeps putting herself first.
I listened to Hillary's speech tonight. She spent about 20 minutes being eloquent. She then blew it by saying that she would not make any decision tonight and would take a few days to consult with some people. Why can she not read the clear writing on the wall? Now is the time (actually, earlier was the time) for her to concede graciously, pledge support to Obama, and start mending fences. I didn't have a whole lot of respect for her before, and tonight reminded me again of why that is. She speaks of principles, but keeps putting herself first.