Prometheus The Supremo
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did you read the comments to that article. someone thought it was a "FRODIEN SLIP!!!!"
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adma
Superstar
I guess that's a dyslexic version of "Fordian slip". I guess, trying to pigeonhole Barack Obama as a bigot like Henry Ford
Prometheus The Supremo
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we need to watch out for that floridian slip like in 2000.
also, http://www.michaelpalinforpresident.com/
also, http://www.michaelpalinforpresident.com/
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Hydrogen
Guest
Geez, so what if he was/is a Muslim? Frankly, I was more concerned about the minister he hung out with. Then again, the minister that McCain was cozying up with to boost his Christian cred was also a bit eerie.
Prometheus The Supremo
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well, you see, he believes ....let me put it to you this way....there are jews in the world......there are hundus.......there are buddhists and mormons and then......there are those that follow muhammad.......but....he's never been one of them....
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Picture it this way...it's WW2, and an American-born candidate of Japanese descent wants to run for the White House. He professes love of America, has no ties with Japan other than his Japanese-sounding names and a few Japanese relatives. There are thousands of peaceful, American born Japanese in America at the time, many fighting in the American forces against Japan. It may not be fair, but would you expect the American public to state "Geez, so what if he was/is a Japanese?".
America is at war with militant Islam, and the thought of a Muslim as President of the US is unthinkable.
Brandon716
Senior Member
As left and left-centre Canadians (the Cons on here can ignore this question), could you guys support a candidate that:
*Supports "lowering" costs in health care and opening up a fee-based federal transfer program that still goes to private insurance industry, but NOT offering single payer universal health insurance for all?
*Does not support gay marriage at all, and has repeatedly said he does not stand for it.
*Has repeatedly said he is for increasing military spending, adding troops to the military, and regarding an Iraq pullout wants to re-station those troops in Afghanistan instead of truly reducing military presence.
*A candidate that has consistently proven he is into bending his values to compromise and bring forth legislation that represents very little of what the original platform is. Example.. Obama has voted for Iraq war spending virtually his entire time in the Senate.
Read this wonderful article.
http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=5413
^That is "The Obama Craze" by Nader's VP running mate Matt Gonzalez. Matt lost the mayoral election in San Francisco to Gavin Newsom by a few points (he won 48%).
Its a good read.
That's why I can't support Obama, and why I cannot support a political party that didn't use its majority status in Congress to stand up to Bush on much of anything.
Obama is overrated, and McCain is just insane.
So the question is, would you as a Canadian support a politician like Obama to lead Canada?
I'd be surprised, if people knew the facts, if they would indeed support him. He's too far to the right.
*Supports "lowering" costs in health care and opening up a fee-based federal transfer program that still goes to private insurance industry, but NOT offering single payer universal health insurance for all?
*Does not support gay marriage at all, and has repeatedly said he does not stand for it.
*Has repeatedly said he is for increasing military spending, adding troops to the military, and regarding an Iraq pullout wants to re-station those troops in Afghanistan instead of truly reducing military presence.
*A candidate that has consistently proven he is into bending his values to compromise and bring forth legislation that represents very little of what the original platform is. Example.. Obama has voted for Iraq war spending virtually his entire time in the Senate.
Read this wonderful article.
http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=5413
^That is "The Obama Craze" by Nader's VP running mate Matt Gonzalez. Matt lost the mayoral election in San Francisco to Gavin Newsom by a few points (he won 48%).
Its a good read.
That's why I can't support Obama, and why I cannot support a political party that didn't use its majority status in Congress to stand up to Bush on much of anything.
Obama is overrated, and McCain is just insane.
So the question is, would you as a Canadian support a politician like Obama to lead Canada?
I'd be surprised, if people knew the facts, if they would indeed support him. He's too far to the right.
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Hydrogen
Guest
So am I to understand that because someone is a Muslim (or thought to be so), they are automatically assumed to be militant and are perceived to be a threat to the United States? Kind of a silly way to proceed through life, no?
Why not just challenge the paranoia with some reasoned thinking?
A rather colourful way of putting it, but it's easy to see how one can arrive at such an assessment.
Brandon716
Senior Member
I'm in a rather precarious position, because I've defended the US system for not being as right-leaning as Canadians think the US is, but time and time again reality proves me wrong.
Both Democrats and Republicans are just too far to the right for my tastes, and you're right, in many ways the Conservative party of Canada is to the left of the US Democrats. Afterall, US Democrats don't even support single payer health care and Conservative Canadians largely do, and the leaders within the party that don't support it do not have the public will nor political power to stop it.
Be proud to be Canadian!
Both Democrats and Republicans are just too far to the right for my tastes, and you're right, in many ways the Conservative party of Canada is to the left of the US Democrats. Afterall, US Democrats don't even support single payer health care and Conservative Canadians largely do, and the leaders within the party that don't support it do not have the public will nor political power to stop it.
Be proud to be Canadian!
Long Island Mike
Senior Member
The Vice-Presidential candidates and other observations...
Everyone: I have not looked at this topic since August 21st and in that period both John McCain and Barack Obama selected Vice Presidential candidates.
The pick of Joe Biden on the Democratic side is a decent one-balancing the Democratic ticket with a long term experienced insider with the youth of Barack Obama.
On the other hand,Sarah Palin being chosen by John McCain was a clear surprise-I was hoping for Tom Ridge-a moderate-for VP-but as mentioned the Moralist segment of the Republican Party was going to walk if that had happened. I understand going with a youthful candidate to counter John McCain's age-but after reading about her extreme right-wing opinions and views I feel that Hillary Clinton supporters will NOT support her candidacy when they find out what Sarah Palin truly stands for.
ED-Interesting post from August 26th on Joe Biden being pro-Amtrak and rail transit-I am quite interest in rail mass transit and the Democratic ticket will be definitely pro mass transit and Amtrak-much more then the Republicans.
I do feel if John McCain indeed gets elected he will have a increasingly hostile Democratic House and Senate to counter the Republicans. I looked at a Electoral College map this week and the math still favors Barack Obama-thanks to the big swing states. This may be the most interesting US election since 1960!
My thoughts here-LI MIKE
Everyone: I have not looked at this topic since August 21st and in that period both John McCain and Barack Obama selected Vice Presidential candidates.
The pick of Joe Biden on the Democratic side is a decent one-balancing the Democratic ticket with a long term experienced insider with the youth of Barack Obama.
On the other hand,Sarah Palin being chosen by John McCain was a clear surprise-I was hoping for Tom Ridge-a moderate-for VP-but as mentioned the Moralist segment of the Republican Party was going to walk if that had happened. I understand going with a youthful candidate to counter John McCain's age-but after reading about her extreme right-wing opinions and views I feel that Hillary Clinton supporters will NOT support her candidacy when they find out what Sarah Palin truly stands for.
ED-Interesting post from August 26th on Joe Biden being pro-Amtrak and rail transit-I am quite interest in rail mass transit and the Democratic ticket will be definitely pro mass transit and Amtrak-much more then the Republicans.
I do feel if John McCain indeed gets elected he will have a increasingly hostile Democratic House and Senate to counter the Republicans. I looked at a Electoral College map this week and the math still favors Barack Obama-thanks to the big swing states. This may be the most interesting US election since 1960!
My thoughts here-LI MIKE
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
Palin as Brunnhilde in the Wasilla Grand Opera's production of Die Walkure:
http://parterre.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/little_norway.jpg
http://parterre.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/little_norway.jpg
lordmandeep
Banned
Palin has revived McCain and imo he will the election.
White people and Indepedents are now going overwhelmingly for McCain now if you look at the polls.
Its 55% to 40% for McCain in these segments.
White people and Indepedents are now going overwhelmingly for McCain now if you look at the polls.
Its 55% to 40% for McCain in these segments.
adma
Superstar
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7600000/7600592.stm
Why rednecks may rule the world
By Joe Bageant
Author of Deerhunting With Jesus
During this US election cycle we are hearing a lot from the pundits and candidates about "heartland voters," and "white working class voters."
What they are talking about are rednecks. But in their political correctness, media types cannot bring themselves to utter the word "redneck." So I'll say it for them: redneck-redneck-redneck-redneck.
The fact is that we American rednecks embrace the term in a sort of proud defiance. To us, the term redneck indicates a culture we were born in and enjoy. So I find it very interesting that politically correct people have taken it upon themselves to protect us from what has come to be one of our own warm and light hearted terms for one another.
On the other hand, I can quite imagine their concern, given what's at stake in the upcoming election. We represent at least a third of all voters and no US president has ever been elected without our support.
Consequently, rednecks have never had so many friends or so much attention as in 2008. Contrary to the stereotype, we are not all tobacco chewing, guffawing Southerners, but are scattered from coast to coast. Over 50% of us live in the "cultural south", which is to say places with white Southern Scots-Irish values - redneck values.
They include western Pennsylvania, central Missouri and southern Illinois, upstate Michigan and Minnesota, eastern Connecticut, northern New Hampshire…
So when you look at what pundits call the red state heartland, you are looking at the Republic of Redneckia.
As to having our delicate beer-sodden feelings protected from the term redneck; well, I appreciate the effort, though I highly suspect that the best way to hide snobbishness is to pose as protector of any class of folks you cannot bear. Thus we are being protected by the very people who look down on us - educated urban progressives.
And let's face it, there's plenty to look down on. By any tasteful standard, we ain't a pretty people.
Uppity and slick? Not us...
We come in one size: extra large. We are sometimes insolent and often quick to fight. We love competitive spectacle such as NASCAR and paintball, and believe gun ownership is the eleventh commandment.
We fry things nobody ever considered friable - things like cupcakes, banana sandwiches and batter dipped artificial cheese…even pickles.
And most of all we are defiant and suspicious of authority, and people who are "uppity" (sophisticated) and "slick" (people who use words with more than three syllables). Two should be enough for anybody.
And that is one of the reasons that, mystifying as it is to the outside world, John McCain's choice of the moose-shooting Alaskan woman with the pregnant unmarried teen daughter appeals to many redneck and working class Americans.
We all understand that there is a political class which dominates in America, and that Sarah Palin for damned sure is not one of them. And the more she is attacked by liberal Democratic elements (translation: elite highly-educated big city people) the more America's working mooks will come to her defence. Her daughter had a baby out of wedlock? Big deal. What family has not? She is a Christian fundamentalist who believes God spat on his beefy paws and made the world in seven days? So do at least 150 million other Americans. She snowmobiles and fishes and she is a looker to boot. She's a redneck.
American ethos
The term redneck indicates a lifestyle and culture that can be found in every state in our union. The essentials of redneck culture were brought to America by what we call the Scots Irish, after first being shipped to the Ulster Plantation, where our, uh, remarkable cultural legacy can still be seen every 12 July in Ireland.
Ultimately, the Scots Irish have had more of an effect on the American ethos than any other immigrant group. Here are a few you will recognize:
Belief that no law is above God's law, not even the US Constitution.
Hyper patriotism. A fighting defence of native land, home and heart, even when it is not actually threatened: ie, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Somalia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Haiti and dozens more with righteous operations titles such as Enduring Freedom, Restore Hope, and Just Cause.
A love of guns and tremendous respect for the warrior ideal. Along with this comes a strong sense of fealty and loyalty. Fealty to wartime leaders, whether it be FDR or George Bush.
Self effacement, humility. We are usually the butt of our own jokes, in an effort not to appear aloof among one another.
Belief that most things outside our own community and nation are inferior and threatening, that the world is jealous of the American lifestyle.
Personal pride in equality. No man, however rich or powerful, is better than me.
Perseverance and belief in hard work. If a man or a family is poor, it is because they did not work hard enough. God rewards those who work hard enough. So does the American system.
The only free country in the world is the United States, and the only reason we ever go to war is to protect that freedom.
All this has become so deeply instilled as to now be reflexive. It represents many of the worst traits in American culture and a few of the best.
And that has every thinking person here in the US, except perhaps John McCain and Sarah Palin, worried.
Very worried.
Why rednecks may rule the world
By Joe Bageant
Author of Deerhunting With Jesus
During this US election cycle we are hearing a lot from the pundits and candidates about "heartland voters," and "white working class voters."
What they are talking about are rednecks. But in their political correctness, media types cannot bring themselves to utter the word "redneck." So I'll say it for them: redneck-redneck-redneck-redneck.
The fact is that we American rednecks embrace the term in a sort of proud defiance. To us, the term redneck indicates a culture we were born in and enjoy. So I find it very interesting that politically correct people have taken it upon themselves to protect us from what has come to be one of our own warm and light hearted terms for one another.
On the other hand, I can quite imagine their concern, given what's at stake in the upcoming election. We represent at least a third of all voters and no US president has ever been elected without our support.
Consequently, rednecks have never had so many friends or so much attention as in 2008. Contrary to the stereotype, we are not all tobacco chewing, guffawing Southerners, but are scattered from coast to coast. Over 50% of us live in the "cultural south", which is to say places with white Southern Scots-Irish values - redneck values.
They include western Pennsylvania, central Missouri and southern Illinois, upstate Michigan and Minnesota, eastern Connecticut, northern New Hampshire…
So when you look at what pundits call the red state heartland, you are looking at the Republic of Redneckia.
As to having our delicate beer-sodden feelings protected from the term redneck; well, I appreciate the effort, though I highly suspect that the best way to hide snobbishness is to pose as protector of any class of folks you cannot bear. Thus we are being protected by the very people who look down on us - educated urban progressives.
And let's face it, there's plenty to look down on. By any tasteful standard, we ain't a pretty people.
Uppity and slick? Not us...
We come in one size: extra large. We are sometimes insolent and often quick to fight. We love competitive spectacle such as NASCAR and paintball, and believe gun ownership is the eleventh commandment.
We fry things nobody ever considered friable - things like cupcakes, banana sandwiches and batter dipped artificial cheese…even pickles.
And most of all we are defiant and suspicious of authority, and people who are "uppity" (sophisticated) and "slick" (people who use words with more than three syllables). Two should be enough for anybody.
And that is one of the reasons that, mystifying as it is to the outside world, John McCain's choice of the moose-shooting Alaskan woman with the pregnant unmarried teen daughter appeals to many redneck and working class Americans.
We all understand that there is a political class which dominates in America, and that Sarah Palin for damned sure is not one of them. And the more she is attacked by liberal Democratic elements (translation: elite highly-educated big city people) the more America's working mooks will come to her defence. Her daughter had a baby out of wedlock? Big deal. What family has not? She is a Christian fundamentalist who believes God spat on his beefy paws and made the world in seven days? So do at least 150 million other Americans. She snowmobiles and fishes and she is a looker to boot. She's a redneck.
American ethos
The term redneck indicates a lifestyle and culture that can be found in every state in our union. The essentials of redneck culture were brought to America by what we call the Scots Irish, after first being shipped to the Ulster Plantation, where our, uh, remarkable cultural legacy can still be seen every 12 July in Ireland.
Ultimately, the Scots Irish have had more of an effect on the American ethos than any other immigrant group. Here are a few you will recognize:
Belief that no law is above God's law, not even the US Constitution.
Hyper patriotism. A fighting defence of native land, home and heart, even when it is not actually threatened: ie, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Somalia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Haiti and dozens more with righteous operations titles such as Enduring Freedom, Restore Hope, and Just Cause.
A love of guns and tremendous respect for the warrior ideal. Along with this comes a strong sense of fealty and loyalty. Fealty to wartime leaders, whether it be FDR or George Bush.
Self effacement, humility. We are usually the butt of our own jokes, in an effort not to appear aloof among one another.
Belief that most things outside our own community and nation are inferior and threatening, that the world is jealous of the American lifestyle.
Personal pride in equality. No man, however rich or powerful, is better than me.
Perseverance and belief in hard work. If a man or a family is poor, it is because they did not work hard enough. God rewards those who work hard enough. So does the American system.
The only free country in the world is the United States, and the only reason we ever go to war is to protect that freedom.
All this has become so deeply instilled as to now be reflexive. It represents many of the worst traits in American culture and a few of the best.
And that has every thinking person here in the US, except perhaps John McCain and Sarah Palin, worried.
Very worried.
Redroom Studios
Senior Member
ah, irony... those last 2 lines saved it!
anybody else seen previews for Bill Maher's new film called "Religulous" that will be coming out just in time for election season?http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/ Looks quite funny but also provocative... hope it doesnt backfire and mobilize the religious mainstream as well as the fundamentalists.
anybody else seen previews for Bill Maher's new film called "Religulous" that will be coming out just in time for election season?http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/ Looks quite funny but also provocative... hope it doesnt backfire and mobilize the religious mainstream as well as the fundamentalists.
billonlogan
Active Member
y'all take a listen to this...
Sarah Palin reminds me so much of Gretchen Wilson, who think they were sisters.
Sarah Palin reminds me so much of Gretchen Wilson, who think they were sisters.