CapitalSeven
Senior Member
UP Express was overpriced when it opened it. Wasn't it 22 minutes and 22 dollars, or something like that? Ridership was low.
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bearcat
Active Member
The problem was the initial pricing being too high when it opened.
Urban Sky
Senior Member
It‘s not just that. If I had to design a consortium push will tempt the Conservatives into cancelling the procurement, I would end up with something like the Liberal freak show Cadence assembled…
Nevermind, just realized you were referring to something completely different!
cplchanb
Senior Member
Air Canada being a direct competitor to rail travel... Only french and montreal based companies... announcement in montreal??
Towered
Superstar
Will this project be killed if the PC's win the election this year?
Dr. Snoot
Active Member
You said there was a conflict in selection of the consortium, but you haven't pointed to any evidence other than the makeup of the bidders. This seems completely baseless. Also, the line will run through Montreal. Did you expect the announcement to be made in Vancouver?
nfitz
Superstar
Air Canada, CN, and VIA have always been headquartered in Montreal. I believe a lot of rail expertise for SNC (Atkins-Realis) is coming out of Atkins in the UK, which has a lot of passenger rail experience.
Allandale25
Senior Member
I think you mean CPC.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
It still doesn't mean it will actually get built. We have been down this road before.Announcement and Presser for High Speed Rail is out.
From the PMO:
Canada is getting high-speed rail
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.www.pm.gc.ca
Cadence is your winner.
Commitment is full HSR - up to 300km/pr.
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guavadelic
Active Member
We've never gotten this far before. They're committing billions to get started on the design and preliminary work.
They've only done feasibility studies before.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Paris, as in TGV? I mean there may be other conflicts of interest, but a company based where HSR is a thing, and has been for almost a century is not that bad to have.
Allandale25
Senior Member
And, no detailed track civil engineering designing.
guavadelic
Active Member
When the news first broke about AC's involvement, government claimed they couldn't comment while the procurement process was still in progress. They need to provide specifics now about their involvement and any safeguards.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
I doubt Air Canada and their share holders would approve of investing billions of dollars into HFR and then kill it. Money is money.
But if they lock in fares unfairly or prevent other carriers from using it when they have an outage or issue, then that would be an unfair advantage.
crs1026
Superstar
AC has not had to put up billions of dollars to join the consortium. Their investment is mostly knowledge work in the short term, possibly logistical facilities and data interfaces upon commissioning. But yes their Board likely had involvement in AC's decision to enter this project.
It starts sooner than that. AC will already likely have access to market research and studies within the VIA/JPO data room. Other air carriers do not have that access. AC will likely have input to the service design and possibly also the performance specs for the network. They will have a head start in aligning their offerings to the rail design. They may have opportunity to influence what market segments rail targets and which they avoid. They will have access to data that will inform pricing.
Possibly WJ, Porter, and others don't see value in any of that, and don't object to AC's involvement. But one wonders about the optics and the potential for lawsuits based on all that inside data and influence.
- Paul