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I would assume that the another benefit of semi-permanent couplings is increased lateral and longitudinal rigidity , but that would depend on the specific design and is almost certainly less important than the operational benefits of standardized couplers.

I'm sure that you could have some type of emergency coupler if you wanted to. Or connect the conventional cars at the end of the fixed trainset. But then you would need to wye the train at the destination.

At least you can still have a mixed J-train consist.
 
When recalling some of the interior shots which have been published so far, I increasingly think that the vestibules are wider than VIA's legacy fleet and thus incompatible to each other. In any case, any change in the existing design might have caused delays in the already ambitious timeline, for very limited benefits (if the cars remain inherently incompatible with VIA's legacy fleet)...
 
idk if this was mentioned, but the engines on the new chargers got de-rated, they're SC-42s instead of SC-44s now.

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else yet. Looks like they're 4200hp given that the Amtrak SC-44s have 4400hp while the Brightline SC-40s have 4000hp. Not sure why though.
 
I'm sure that you could have some type of emergency coupler if you wanted to. Or connect the conventional cars at the end of the fixed trainset. But then you would need to wye the train at the destination.

At least you can still have a mixed J-train consist.
I don't quite understand why any emergency couplers or a wye could be needed? The train sets could just act as single reversible units or be combined together using the janney couplings at the fronts of the locomotives and cab cars.
 
I knew that the coaches would be semi-permanently coupled together, but it was never clear how the locomotive would be coupled to the coaches. As I mentioned in post #9,978, Transport Action Canada claimed that it would be a standard coupler. Obviously they were (once again) mistaken. There really isn't much need to semi-permanently couple the locomotive to the train (passengers aren't walking between the two), so the only reason to semi-permanently couple it would be to increase flexibility, and allow trains of any configuration, rather than requiring locomotives to be coupled to a Business 3A coach (and vice versa). OTOH, using a standard coupler would make it quicker and easier to swap out the locomotive if necessary and allow standard coaches to be inserted between the locomotive and the first Venture coach.

Does anyone know if this type of semi-permanent coupler is bidirectional? In other words, do coaches have the same coupler at both ends or are there different front and back couplers?
If you look at the back of the loco, the rest of the standard connections there - HEP, MU, COMM, etc. - are as they usually are on a loco. The only thing that's changed is the coupler - or lack thereof.

The drawbar that goes into that pocket is not "handed", and so yes, the orientation and even number of the individual coaches can be changed if necessary.

I would assume that the another benefit of semi-permanent couplings is increased lateral and longitudinal rigidity , but that would depend on the specific design and is almost certainly less important than the operational benefits of standardized couplers.
Safety in an accident is part of the reasoning, yes. But comfort is also a very, very big part of it.

Those of us who have ridden in the leading section of a J-train a lot will remember the feeling of getting "bucked" around far more than on a normal train. This is due to the slack in the couplers, and the loco behind powering up to catch up to the leading loco. Even with the current tightlock couplers, there is still slack in the system, and combined over many coaches can amount to a substantial distance. The problem is so well known that some crews would do things like isolate the second loco, which leaves it in idle for the time it's coupled and connected.

Drawbars eliminate this problem altogether.

I'm sure that you could have some type of emergency coupler if you wanted to. Or connect the conventional cars at the end of the fixed trainset. But then you would need to wye the train at the destination.

At least you can still have a mixed J-train consist.
One could also just run around the non-Siemens coaches as well at the ends of the run, too. Both ends of the trainset have all of the standard connections, as well as the couplers.

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else yet. Looks like they're 4200hp given that the Amtrak SC-44s have 4400hp while the Brightline SC-40s have 4000hp. Not sure why though.
For the same reason why the long-distance Amtrak locos are rated at 4200hp. To increase the servicing intervals, and thus the maintenance requirements.

By derating them (as well as a couple of other minor changes), they are allowed to have an interval of 184 days between service inspections under FRA's item 49 CFR 230.15, which normally calls for a 92 day interval. TC has allowed for these same sets of rules to take effect in Canada, although it seems to be much harder to find reference to them.

Dan
 
If you look at the back of the loco, the rest of the standard connections there - HEP, MU, COMM, etc. - are as they usually are on a loco. The only thing that's changed is the coupler - or lack thereof.

The drawbar that goes into that pocket is not "handed", and so yes, the orientation and even number of the individual coaches can be changed if necessary.


Safety in an accident is part of the reasoning, yes. But comfort is also a very, very big part of it.

Those of us who have ridden in the leading section of a J-train a lot will remember the feeling of getting "bucked" around far more than on a normal train. This is due to the slack in the couplers, and the loco behind powering up to catch up to the leading loco. Even with the current tightlock couplers, there is still slack in the system, and combined over many coaches can amount to a substantial distance. The problem is so well known that some crews would do things like isolate the second loco, which leaves it in idle for the time it's coupled and connected.

Drawbars eliminate this problem altogether.


One could also just run around the non-Siemens coaches as well at the ends of the run, too. Both ends of the trainset have all of the standard connections, as well as the couplers.


For the same reason why the long-distance Amtrak locos are rated at 4200hp. To increase the servicing intervals, and thus the maintenance requirements.

By derating them (as well as a couple of other minor changes), they are allowed to have an interval of 184 days between service inspections under FRA's item 49 CFR 230.15, which normally calls for a 92 day interval. TC has allowed for these same sets of rules to take effect in Canada, although it seems to be much harder to find reference to them.

Dan
I guess you could also put a standard loco at the back of the legacy trainset so that they can run the train backwards.
 
They could bring back the chalk river sub or the Beachburg Sub.

Short sighted for tearing up those northern lines
As much as many people here lament this, neither route through the Ottawa River has survived, so what exactly is your suggestion concerning VIA Rail as the subject of this thread?
 
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As much as many people here lament this, neither route through the Ottawa River has survived, so what exactly is your suggestion concerning the subject of this thread?
It would provide another route to get from east to west. Didn't the Beachburg Sub allow them to cut through Algonquin park and get to Ottawa? So they can avoid the congestion of Toronto and the Kingston Sub.
 
It would provide another route to get from east to west. Didn't the Beachburg Sub allow them to cut through Algonquin park and get to Ottawa? So they can avoid the congestion of Toronto and the Kingston Sub.
Who is "they" and why can't this be discussed in the "general railway discussions" thread instead? As far as it concerns VIA, there are only two possible paths towards the West and both pass through Toronto (which luckily happens to be its most important hub)...
 
Who is "they" and why can't this be discussed in the "general railway discussions" thread instead? As far as it concerns VIA, there are only two possible paths towards the West and both pass through Toronto (which luckily happens to be its most important hub)...
Sorry I was referring to CN.
 
It would provide another route to get from east to west. Didn't the Beachburg Sub allow them to cut through Algonquin park and get to Ottawa? So they can avoid the congestion of Toronto and the Kingston Sub.
That bridge was crossed (or rather, made uncrossable) decades ago. In Ottawa discussions, I think all sources point to a deteriorated ROW.

I wouldn't oppose it, but there would be resistance, and I don't think it would be viable unless Ontario Northland or some shortline/government took it up.
 

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