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I think everyone is missing the point. In order for us to become less dependent on the automobile, we need alternatives and when we will need to charge our electric cars at the ONROUTE for 40 minutes to go from Toronto to Montreal in a snow storm travelling by train will look more attractive.

Plus you will likely need to wait an hour in line for the people ahead of you to charge their cars.

I'm really not worried about waiting 40 mins to charge an EV. Between increasing ranges, faster charging speeds and growing infrastructure, charging really won't be an issue a decade from now. Let alone two decades from now.

Traffic and air fare on the other hand....
 
I'm really not worried about waiting 40 mins to charge an EV. Between increasing ranges, faster charging speeds and growing infrastructure, charging really won't be an issue a decade from now. Let alone two decades from now.

Traffic and air fare on the other hand....
Think about this. Right now it takes about 5 Minutes to fill your car plus another 5 to pay inside.
During the summer there are lineups for this.

When you go to electric that becomes 40-50 minutes. How long do you think you will need to wait to charge your car?

That's not a concern for you?
 
Think about this. Right now it takes about 5 Minutes to fill your car plus another 5 to pay inside.
During the summer there are lineups for this.

When you go to electric that becomes 40-50 minutes. How long do you think you will need to wait to charge your car?

That's not a concern for you?
I've never stopped at an OnRoute for less than 15 minutes myself, and that's if I'm rushing. Usually takes closer to 1/2 hour anyways.

It's like time slows down in there for some reason ...
 
Think about this. Right now it takes about 5 Minutes to fill your car plus another 5 to pay inside.
During the summer there are lineups for this.

When you go to electric that becomes 40-50 minutes. How long do you think you will need to wait to charge your car?

That's not a concern for you?
You won't have to wait an hour to charge because the more people buy electric cars, the more chargers get installed. Unlike a gas station, EV charging isn't limited to a small portion of the service centre. When EVs fully replace internal combustion then the OnRoutes will probably have dozens or hundreds of charge ports. Charging and filling up on gas are completely different paradigms.
 
Think about this. Right now it takes about 5 Minutes to fill your car plus another 5 to pay inside.
During the summer there are lineups for this.

When you go to electric that becomes 40-50 minutes. How long do you think you will need to wait to charge your car?

That's not a concern for you?

We are getting way off topic, but have you actually owned an EV? You verbiage sounds more like the uneducated FUD spread by the fossil fuel lobby groups, than by someone who actually knows anything about driving an EV. In the real world, you graze feed your EV whenever you are stopped rather than making a special trip to binge feed it

Even if you consider a pitiful mileage of 4 km/kWh (most can do over 6), charging for 25 minutes at even just 150 kW will give you 250 km of extra range. Using a 350kW charger (which EVs are starting to support), things will go even faster.The key is putting charging stations where you are wanting to stop anyway in sufficient numbers to meet demand.

I agree we need to get more people out of their cars and into trains, but the hours you save in your daily life not having to go out of your way to go to a gas station to fill up every week more than makes up for any small amount of time you might waste on a road trip charging.
 
Think about this. Right now it takes about 5 Minutes to fill your car plus another 5 to pay inside.
During the summer there are lineups for this.

When you go to electric that becomes 40-50 minutes. How long do you think you will need to wait to charge your car?

That's not a concern for you?

This is getting off topic for this thread. But I want to correct some of your assumptions here (which mostly seem to be based on decade old information). The biggest one is that past == future.

1) 800V architecture in newer electric cars substantially speeds up charging. 150 kW charging is normal now. That means 15-20 mins of charging for the average driver at an OnRoute stop, for the average trip. There's vehicles that are capable of 350 kW charging too. That would mean 5-10 mins to get the charge they need to get to their destination.

2) Charging networks are building to accomodate higher rates. Most charging networks are building stalls capable of 150 kW or higher for their fast chargers. The higher the speeds, the more cars they can charge. They balance that against the number of chargers they install. And of course, governments are giving generous subsidies to expand charging networks quickly. There's not much risk of waiting for a charger, today, unless it's some kind of holiday weekend. And even that problem will be solved in due course.

3) EV drivers don't drive like gas car drivers. Charging is concurrent. You plug in while doing something else. In this case, while getting a snack and using the facilities. Charge speeds only have to be high enough to get you to your next stop. Given that a 15-20 min stop on a 150 kW charger will get most cars at least 150 km of range, and given that most EVs these days have > 400 km of range, this means going from Toronto to Montreal only needs 1-2 stops of 15-20 mins along the way today. Chances are you'd make those stops anyway. Especially if you have kids in the car.....

4) Technology is improving rapidly. The 2011 Nissan Leaf had 120 km of range. The 2021 Nissan Leaf has over 350 km of range. Range and charging speeds keep going up, while costs keep going down. By the end of the decade, the average EV (not high end Teslas) will have 500-600 km of range, 800V architectures for fast charging, and cost the same as a gas equivalent. The high end cars (like Teslas) will have 1000 km of range and be capable of charging at > 350 kW. They won't need to stop between Toronto and Quebec City, at all. That's where this tech is going. Heck, there's already EVs with over 800 km of range.


Now. All of the above said, EVs don't solve all the other externalities associated with cars, beyond tailpipe emissions. They don't solve low density suburban sprawl. They don't solve obesity from sitting in your car for 2 hrs per day. And most relevant to this thread, they don't solve traffic. The GTA will have 8 million by the end of the decade. Ottawa-Gatineau will be at 1.5M. Montreal will be closer to 5M. And a lot of the growth in all these metros will happen along the corridors that facilitate travel between these metros. The 401, 416, 417 and the 20 are going to be congested going between these cities. This is why HFR will be needed. Electric or gas, sitting in your car for 6-7 hrs sucks.
 
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From the description in the previously video @SaugeenJunction posted, here is another video of it being tested at high speed.

OT but why do they need to blow the horn even in gated crossings? Seems redundant and obsolete.

also the lighted engine area is tacky imo... who wants to see a bling bling motor at night?
 
From the description in the previously video @SaugeenJunction posted, here is another video of it being tested at high speed.


OT but why do they need to blow the horn even in gated crossings? Seems redundant and obsolete.

also the lighted engine area is tacky imo... who wants to see a bling bling motor at night?
Think of the number of crossing incidents involving people going around gates and even with the horn blaring?

It's probably not enough to stop stupid people.
 
also the lighted engine area is tacky imo... who wants to see a bling bling motor at night?

Only the later clips have the engine area lit. Makes me wonder if someone was either in the engine area at the time or they forgot to turn the light off when they left.
 
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OT but why do they need to blow the horn even in gated crossings? Seems redundant and obsolete.
You can read all about Quiet Zones here:
Most people don’t think about the crossing and the train whistle unless they happen to live next to a crossing. Then, particularly at night, the train horn can disrupt sleep and create a general livability issue.

The Federal Rail Administration (FRA) started allowing the creation of “quiet zones”. These are crossings where improvements have been made to allow the train to proceed without using the horn, except in emergencies. Many cities have been able to reduce the train horns in their communities through this process.

To be considered for a quiet zone, the crossing must meet these minimum requirements:

[…]

Upgrading one or more crossings to quiet zone status is expensive – typically more than $250,000. Improvements on the road, such as adding a channelizing device, further increase the cost.
 
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You can read all about Quiet Zones here:

hmmm interesting.
IIRC markham recently made all their crossings no horn, so I guess they were all classified as quiet zones
 

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