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bizorky
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Sodomy? Why not just call it anal sex? It does not require biblical reference to cast some cloud over it.
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Abeja de Almirante
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Call it what you want. The word anus itself is Hebrew for "forced one", so go with that if you please.Sodomy? Why not just call it anal sex?
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bizorky
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Sure, and bull shit is the excrement from bulls; but it is also a category of messaging in the contemporary era.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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If you stay away from high risk sexual activity, you don't have to worry (as much) about broken condoms and being infected by someone who perhaps doesn't know they're infected.
Actually the HIV transmission risk for unprotected anal vs. vaginal sex is very similiar. Clearly the major risk factor that one should focus on is condom use.
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Abeja de Almirante
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I must admit, that's not something I knew. Why then did HIV hit the gay male community so hard compared to the hetero crowd? Both gay and straight folks are equally prone to casual and high risk sexual behaviour.Actually the HIV transmission risk for unprotected anal vs. vaginal sex is very similiar.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Abeja:
A lot of it depended on the initial population being exposed (though that's by no means the only factor). In Africa, the heterosexual transmission the overwhelming route, whereas in North America and Europe, initial exposure of the virus is within the gay community, and it tended to stay there as a result. That said, heterosexual transmission is the fastest growing mode now.
I might add, there is no empircal evidence showing that the rate of condom breakage is higher with anal intercourse, even though it has been passed on as a fact for the longest time.
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A lot of it depended on the initial population being exposed (though that's by no means the only factor). In Africa, the heterosexual transmission the overwhelming route, whereas in North America and Europe, initial exposure of the virus is within the gay community, and it tended to stay there as a result. That said, heterosexual transmission is the fastest growing mode now.
I might add, there is no empircal evidence showing that the rate of condom breakage is higher with anal intercourse, even though it has been passed on as a fact for the longest time.
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andreapalladio
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Why then did HIV hit the gay male community so hard compared to the hetero crowd? Both gay and straight folks are equally prone to casual and high risk sexual behaviour.
For the best possible information about the early days of the AIDS epidemic, read Randy Shilts' And The Band Played On.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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One caveat - the patient zero indicated in his book, Gataen Dugas (a Canadian no less) isn't really responsible for the initial wave of infections.
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andreapalladio
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Well, he was "really responsible" for a lot of infections. The book doesn't say that he was responsible for the intitial infections - he was described as patient zero because he was the link between all the early cases that the epidemiolgists found, which is standard epidemiological practice.
Shilts floated the theory that AIDS came to North America during the Parade of Sail for the American Bicentennial - which may well be a theory that the epidemiology has moved beyond now - but it's a great hook for a book whose first section is titled with the most frightening word: "Before."
Shilts floated the theory that AIDS came to North America during the Parade of Sail for the American Bicentennial - which may well be a theory that the epidemiology has moved beyond now - but it's a great hook for a book whose first section is titled with the most frightening word: "Before."
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ganjavih
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Actually the HIV transmission risk for unprotected anal vs. vaginal sex is very similiar.
I don't know the numbers, AoD, but anal intercourse is generally considered riskier for STD transmission (including HIV) than vaginal intercourse.
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bizorky
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I always wondered what became of Shilts' theory.
Actually it originates from the Latin word for ring, so called for its form.
Call it what you want. The word anus itself is Hebrew for "forced one"
Actually it originates from the Latin word for ring, so called for its form.
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paulbali
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"Both gay and straight folks are equally prone to casual and high risk sexual behaviour."
I seem to remember statistics showing that, for example, gay men average more sexual partners per year than straight men do. And anecdotal evidence would seem to confirm this.
I seem to remember statistics showing that, for example, gay men average more sexual partners per year than straight men do. And anecdotal evidence would seem to confirm this.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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ganja:
I just came across the numbers last week - the major difference was whether a condom is used, not the type of intercourse. I will find that source and cite it here when I get to it.
EDIT: This is not the exact data as I have seen, but it highlights the relative risk of transmission per 10,000 exposures (slide 6).
www.fhi.org/NR/rdonlyres/...ssion4.ppt
Note that the numbers for receptive anal and vaginal sex is very similiar. Other numbers I have looked at suggested a higher risk for unprotected anal sex than vaginal, but the it's usually not more than 50% difference.
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I don't know the numbers, AoD, but anal intercourse is generally considered riskier for STD transmission (including HIV) than vaginal intercourse.
I just came across the numbers last week - the major difference was whether a condom is used, not the type of intercourse. I will find that source and cite it here when I get to it.
EDIT: This is not the exact data as I have seen, but it highlights the relative risk of transmission per 10,000 exposures (slide 6).
www.fhi.org/NR/rdonlyres/...ssion4.ppt
Note that the numbers for receptive anal and vaginal sex is very similiar. Other numbers I have looked at suggested a higher risk for unprotected anal sex than vaginal, but the it's usually not more than 50% difference.
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ganjavih
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Note that the numbers for receptive anal and vaginal sex is very similiar.
They don't look similar to me. 8-20 versus 10-30 looks like about a 50% increased risk. Regardless, it's interesting to see how small the numbers are per 10,000 exposures which highlights the fact that HIV is not a particularly virulent virus. All the more reason I think that it is disappointing that the virus continues to spread the way it does. This is a very preventable infection.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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ganja:
That's pretty much what I am getting at - it's 50% higher of a risk that is fairly low to start off with (I bet most would have thought that the risk differential is far greater than that - I certainly did), and one that can be reduced dramatically by using condoms in both cases. As a comparison, I think the infection rate through blood transfusion was something like 9,000 per 10K.
I don't think we're seeing anything new with regards to human behaviour however - considering the wide variety of risk factors associated with other diseases and how slow behavioural changes occur. Also keep in mind that the greatest majority of transmission occurs in areas where access to and use of condoms isn't a sure thing, due to financial or cultural factors.
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That's pretty much what I am getting at - it's 50% higher of a risk that is fairly low to start off with (I bet most would have thought that the risk differential is far greater than that - I certainly did), and one that can be reduced dramatically by using condoms in both cases. As a comparison, I think the infection rate through blood transfusion was something like 9,000 per 10K.
I don't think we're seeing anything new with regards to human behaviour however - considering the wide variety of risk factors associated with other diseases and how slow behavioural changes occur. Also keep in mind that the greatest majority of transmission occurs in areas where access to and use of condoms isn't a sure thing, due to financial or cultural factors.
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