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Gardiner in desperate need of repair: engineer

Gardiner in desperate need of repair: engineer
Last updated Apr 10 2006 10:10 AM EDT
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The Gardiner Expressway should be renamed the "Dalton McGuinty Expressway" if the province continues to refuse to help repair the crumbling highway, a Toronto city councillor suggests.

Councillor Howard Moscoe regularly expresses his frustration with the province's refusal to fund repairs of the roadway.

He says if the McGuinty government doesn't change its mind, the city should to cancel all repairs, erect a sign that says "Use at your own risk" and rename it after the premier.

City engineers estimate repairs to the western edge of the Gardiner would cost $87 million. The section was the province's responsibility until 1998 and now city councillors are demanding the province take up some financial responsibility for repairs.

"This is a major roadway," said Joseph Condarcuri, an engineer with the city's transportation department. "It is a provincial responsibility. So, can we at least share the responsibility here, even though it runs through our city?"

Toronto city hall will tackle the issue again this week of how to keep the expressway from falling apart.

The section in question is the western part that stretches from the Humber River to Highway 427.

Officials say it's been neglected for years and sections of it are falling into disrepair.

Engineers are especially concerned with the guard rail running down the middle of the expressway, which has been weakened over the years by cars smashing into it.

"At a certain speed and a certain angle, when the car hits it, it's supposed to bounce you back," Condarcuri said. "And at high speeds you can actually go through it, especially if you're a big truck."

In the province's recent budget, the Liberal government focused on transit and transportation infrastructure, mostly in the Great Toronto Area.

It included $1.2 billion to help fund an extension of the Spadina subway line north of the city, to Vaughan. There was also money for bus lines and transit measures to better integrate the GTA's transit system.

However, the province has repeatedly denied requests by the city to fund repairs of the Gardiner, arguing that it is the city's jurisdiction.

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The money needed to fix the Gardiner (which is a lot every year) could be better used... funnel all the traffic to the Lakeshore and turn the Gardiner into a pedestrian, cycling and LRT thoroughfare... a "landbridge", if you will, across the city and over Lakeshroe boulevarde to the water.

If it's too much to bury it, and pro-auto groups and business want a place for cars... it miay make sense.
 
They should name it after Mike Harris who downloaded it to us. This was the QEW and not the Gardiner until then.
 
McGuinty might be doing us a favour...eventually we'll have no choice but to tear it down. ;)
 
The section in question is at grade in Etobicoke - it can only fall apart, not down, unfortunately. The elevated portion of Gardiner has always been in the hands of the city.

AoD
 
The Gardiner is nowhere near Lakeshore in Etobicoke. Not only that, but Lakeshore is overcrowded as it is. It could not take all that extra traffic unless several new lanes were added.
 
Ontario - I'm talking about the elevated section of the Gardiner. And, maybe if traffic clogs up more, more people will take transit into the city.
 
I think the vast majority of people commuting to downtown already take the GO Train. I'd bet the majority of the traffic on the highway isn't people commuting to jobs downtown anyways, which is really the main demographic the GO Train serves (and is capable of serving).
 
Where are they going? Every morning on BT the Don Valley Parkway, the QEW, and the Gardiner are all clogged up with people going somewhere...
 
Toll the damn thing and use the revenue for maintenance and repairs. Force those who use it to maintain it, not everybody else.
 
Force those who use it to maintain it, not everybody else.
Money from the fuel tax should be made available to improve and maintain city highways. Tolls would cause more harm than the additional revenue collected. Not everyone can take public transit to get downtown.
 
Tolls would cause more harm than the additional revenue collected. Not everyone can take public transit to get downtown.

How would you know tolls would by default create more harm than good, exactly? And certainly, most of those who live within the boundaries of the City of Toronto, in the west end have public transit as a viable option.

AoD
 
Toll the damn thing and use the revenue for maintenance and repairs. Force those who use it to maintain it, not everybody else.

Shouldn't then the gas tax money be used only for maintaining highways? Drivers make up the majority of the people buying it so one not just use that?
 

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