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I like to think that gas tax is a tax on smog/pollution, and that we should have a toll for major highways as it also helps regulate congestion.
 
I think the ppl who live in Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington and beyond who commute on it everyday to get to the city should pay for it.. I think they out-number the Torontonians that use it!
or Toll it..
 
I see that thread title and feel like repeating "falling down" twice
 
Sure Danny, lets cut off the city to the vast majority of the people who keep it thriving, i.e. the commuters who fill up all the offices.
 
^most of them take the go train. i don't think tolls would cut the city off from anyone. there could always be exceptions for cab drivers, deliveries, etc.
 
turdarms:

Let's not be overly dramatic here - most of the commuters to Toronto doesn't drive - they use the GO (which Toronto and 905 municipalities subsidizes) and TTC.

Besides, as I have mentioned before in other threads, if done reasonably, the cost of the toll will pale in comparison with other expenses such as parking. The issue for me isn't whether the establishment of a toll is reasonable - but what constitute a reasonable toll.

AoD
 
There will always be a minimum amount of traffic lanes required even if everyone who takes the train can. I don't see how that number would be decreasing when the population keeps increasing.
 
If most users of the Gardiner are from outside the city, then most people in the city would support tolls.
I suggest a referendum or question on the next ballot asking the people of Toronto "Do you support tolls on city highways to offset the costs of repairs and maintenance?"
Where do mayoralty candidates stand on this issue? I know I will ask for sure.
 
The Gardiner is nowhere near Lakeshore in Etobicoke.
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True.
Not only that, but Lakeshore is overcrowded as it is. It could not take all that extra traffic unless several new lanes were added.
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False.
Lakeshore is hardly overcrowded at any point through southern Etobicoke. I can tear through Mimico, Long Branch, and the Lakeshore Village with little difficulties. The 501 streetcar, despite acting in mixed traffic, very rarely gets delayed on this route.
 
Just somes questions of curiosity and my view. Maybe someone can provide some more insight.

Where would you put a toll plaza that would actually be able to handle such a crunch of people?
Unless the city is will to extrapolate a huge amount of land, which would be unpopular, there really isn't anywhere where would one fit. This one in Texas has less then 1/2 the total usgae of the Gardiner but has 36 toll gates.
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How would you assure that the driver's just don't take the Queensway and avoid the load of people on the highway?
Toronto aint't like San Fran or NYC where there is only a limited amount of access points to the city from certain directions so really, wouldn't drivers just use The Queensway, Dundas, Lakeshore and Eglinton as alternatives, which would just screw up the transit scheduals and increase commute times for both drivers and PTers.
 
"Money from the fuel tax should be made available to improve and maintain city highways. Tolls would cause more harm than the additional revenue collected. Not everyone can take public transit to get downtown."

That's because an adequate system isn't in place yet. They should make the downtown a toll zone like in London as well as all the highways and use a portion of the revenues to fund a program of constant subway/other rapid transit expansion.
 
How would you assure that the driver's just don't take the Queensway and avoid the load of people on the highway?
Toronto aint't like San Fran or NYC where there is only a limited amount of access points to the city from certain directions so really, wouldn't drivers just use The Queensway, Dundas, Lakeshore and Eglinton as alternatives, which would just screw up the transit scheduals and increase commute times for both drivers and PTers.
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You can toll all of them. Its not like they need toll booths. The 407 doesn't use toll booths nor does the system in London mentioned above.

Alternately you just toll at the QEW at the Toronto/Missauga border. Some people will switch to other streets but most will continue to use the QEW for convience sake unless the tolls are really high. Who's going to switch off for fifty cents or a dollar? I wouldn't.
 
The city knew they were taking over that part of the road back in 1998 and really had no issues with it then. The province took resposibility for upgrading the section going over the Humber and the 427 interchange improvements before turning it over to them. If McGuinty gives in on this one the city can probably get away with bullying him to give city council anything they can think up. The city has let it fall into disrepair for 7-8 years and now the ruts are so deep the car tries to steer itself and rivers run in them when it rains.
 
The city knew they were taking over that part of the road back in 1998 and really had no issues with it then.
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My memory may be a bit foggy, but I do think the City always had an issue with the T.O. portion of The QEW being downloaded onto the city from the province.
 
I have an issue with the renaming of the downloaded part of the QEW. AFAIC, the QEW begins at the Humber, the way it's done ever since 1939...
 
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