bodsbods9090
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Lots of utilities to move I have to imagine at this intersection. That takes some time.
And I bet the City didn't want to clog Yellowhead up at every possible place they could at once.
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And I bet the City didn't want to clog Yellowhead up at every possible place they could at once.
The_Cat
Senior Member
I imagine that YHT west of St. Albert Trail will be finished first.
Gronk!
Senior Member
That section plus the Fort Road widening should be completed by the end of this year.
Airboy
Senior Member
Yup the temp rail bridge is gone.
Edmcowboy11
Senior Member
That actually seemed to go pretty quick. Of course the roadway underneath is still not there but I thought it was going to take longer for the bridge to be replaced. Can't wait to see the complete finished project.
JuliallThat
Active Member
I love that the crummy fort road sign is still there after all this.
~ We're so historic ~
~ We're so historic ~
The_Cat
Senior Member
The sad thing is that an antiques store on Fort Road is closing because of the rampant crime in that area.
dunno
Active Member
Also sad they bulldozed half the street’s urban fabric about 15 years ago now for Station Pointe, which is very mediocre and still only like a quarter built.
JuliallThat
Active Member
Wow I had no idea Fort Rd was widened so much only 15 years ago?? You inspired me to go look at the old street view from 2007 which catches I guess the very start of the widening project, the old buildings had been torn down on the east side but the road was still the old narrow row.
Was that a controversial project at the time? There must've been so many buildings they had to demolish, it seems more like a project you'd see in the 70s, not in the 00s.
dunno
Active Member
To be perfectly honest, I was young at the time, and not really privy to the politics of it, beyond it promising to rejuvenate the area and give light to new development. I know it was controversial in my heart though lol. I guess it was more than 15 years ago now, too, as I went back to the street view you mentioned, and yeah, it was midway through in '07, so the demolition must've been in '06 or so.
But yeah, basically the east side of Fort Road had a bunch of streetfront, human-scaled shops, similar to the older commercial buildings remaining on the west side. This was all remnants from when the area was the largest meatpacking area in North America not named Chicago. I remember there was a Levi's surplus store of some sort. The general vibe was similar to the west side of Fort Road, or places like Stony Plain Rd in Jasper Place and 118th Ave in Beverly. Kinda run-down, but still in use. I wish there was more documentation online about it, but a lot of stuff from before the popularization of social media gets lost in cities like Edmonton.
This was one of the meatpacking facilities, the Canada Packers Plant, in the late '30s. Only that tall smokestack on the right remains, which is also basically the only reminder of what the area once was. All other plants and facilities were completely demolished.
via https://www.davidmurrayarchitect.ca/canada-packers-smoke-stack/
According to this timeline, the last packing plant was demolished in 2002. That was the Swift/Gainer's plant. Burns was the first plant to close, in 1978, and that plant was demolished in '88.
This was the Swift/Gainer's plant:
via https://www.facebook.com/historyofa...n-edmonton-alberta-ca-1920s/1444571685839646/
I was trying to find photos specifically of what Fort Road looked like completely built up prior to the mid-aughts demolition. But people didn't document things as much back then, especially in off-the-beaten-path places like Fort Road. And if they did, a lot of it wasn't digitized because there isn't the same level of interest as in other cities. It's a lot easier to find photos of Williamsburg or Park Slope in the '90s and early 2000s, for example. The most I could find was this document about the demolition work, beginning in 2006. There's some pixelated images of the demo work in there, but that's it. I'm sure there was something in the Journal at the time, but it's not on their website. You can access old newspaper issues from online archives like newspapers.com but it's paid.
JuliallThat
Active Member
I knew about that smokestack but I didn't know it was such a significant meat packing area.To be perfectly honest, I was young at the time, and not really privy to the politics of it, beyond it promising to rejuvenate the area and give light to new development. I know it was controversial in my heart though lol. I guess it was more than 15 years ago now, too, as I went back to the street view you mentioned, and yeah, it was midway through in '07, so the demolition must've been in '06 or so.
But yeah, basically the east side of Fort Road had a bunch of streetfront, human-scaled shops, similar to the older commercial buildings remaining on the west side. This was all remnants from when the area was the largest meatpacking area in North America not named Chicago. I remember there was a Levi's surplus store of some sort. The general vibe was similar to the west side of Fort Road, or places like Stony Plain Rd in Jasper Place and 118th Ave in Beverly. Kinda run-down, but still in use. I wish there was more documentation online about it, but a lot of stuff from before the popularization of social media gets lost in cities like Edmonton.
This was one of the meatpacking facilities, the Canada Packers Plant, in the late '30s. Only that tall smokestack on the right remains, which is also basically the only reminder of what the area once was. All other plants and facilities were completely demolished.
via https://www.davidmurrayarchitect.ca/canada-packers-smoke-stack/
According to this timeline, the last packing plant was demolished in 2002. That was the Swift/Gainer's plant. Burns was the first plant to close, in 1978, and that plant was demolished in '88.
This was the Swift/Gainer's plant:
via https://www.facebook.com/historyofa...n-edmonton-alberta-ca-1920s/1444571685839646/
I was trying to find photos specifically of what Fort Road looked like completely built up prior to the mid-aughts demolition. But people didn't document things as much back then, especially in off-the-beaten-path places like Fort Road. And if they did, a lot of it wasn't digitized because there isn't the same level of interest as in other cities. It's a lot easier to find photos of Williamsburg or Park Slope in the '90s and early 2000s, for example. The most I could find was this document about the demolition work, beginning in 2006. There's some pixelated images of the demo work in there, but that's it. I'm sure there was something in the Journal at the time, but it's not on their website. You can access old newspaper issues from online archives like newspapers.com but it's paid.
According to that last document though it sounds like people were pretty positive about it though. 93% in support. So I guess that settles how contentious it was lol.
It's easy to imagine what the old area would've been like, but it definitely feels very drive-by these days.
dunno
Active Member
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Edmonton was a lot different then and there wasn't the same consideration for building dense, walkable, vibrant urbanism. Although I do remember the Station Pointe thing being seen as good, too, and the demolition needed to happen to support it. It's also in a less-desirable area. I'm sure today if they opted to do something similar to SPR there'd be more backlash, but it wouldn't exactly be like if there was a proposal to level a bunch of 124th St or Whyte or Jasper or 104th St.
I do wonder what the Belvedere vicinity would've been like had those old packing houses been left for long enough to see interest in revitalizing them into something new. We could've had our own version of NDSM in Amsterdam, also in converted industrial buildings:
A Guide to NDSM Wharf, Amsterdam's Street Art Neighbourhood
NDSM wharf is a recently rejuvenated and renovated artists' quarter in a former shipyard just a ferry ride away from Amsterdam Centraal.
www.solosophie.com
NDSM Amsterdam: How to Reach + What to do in NDSM Werf (Wharf) - Drifter Planet
Amsterdam's NDSM Werf (or Wharf) is unlike any other neighborhood. It is a social space where creative minds come together to start something epic.
drifterplanet.com
iamsterdam.com
NDSM : le quartier post apocalyptique et bohème d’Amsterdam à visiter.
NDSM : Un musée à ciel ouvert made in Amsterdam À 15 minutes en Ferry d’Amsterdam Centraal, dans le Nord d’Amsterdam, se trouve un des quartiers les plus en vogue du moment : NDSM. Les « Docks et la compagnie de construction navale néerlandais » (« N.D.S.M ») étaient, à la fin du 19ème siècle le...
www.opnminded.com
IJhallen - TIP Amsterdam Noord
amsterdamnoordinfo.nl
JuliallThat
Active Member
Wouldn't that have been nice?
It's so hard to get old industrial buildings past the era of "dumpy old building" into the era of cool thing worth reusing.
You can't help but wonder what we look at now as forgettable and unwanted, that in 50-100 years would be considered desirable and worth preserving.
It's so hard to get old industrial buildings past the era of "dumpy old building" into the era of cool thing worth reusing.
You can't help but wonder what we look at now as forgettable and unwanted, that in 50-100 years would be considered desirable and worth preserving.
dunno
Active Member
Very true. We're in the thick of that with modernist architecture, which is only starting to be viewed as worth protecting. And then there's po-mo architecture, which is not deemed worth preserving and is often considered garish and dated (much like pre-modernist architecture was at mid-century). I have a feeling that buildings like Canada Place and the "dated" interior of Commerce Place will be viewed more warmly in 30-50 years.
_Citizen_Dane_
Active Member
It’s an interesting thing. The area was still reeling over the closure of Gainers and Canada Packers in the early 2000s, and had a glut of vacant storefronts. Business-owners were hoping that more parking and wider sidewalks would encourage patronage. One report from the Journal in 2002 wrote that:
I had a photo of the street in the 2000s saved somewhere, but of course I can't find it now. Nevertheless, aerial surveying photography from the City Archives gives a clue to just how dense the area was in 1992: