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jaycola
Active Member
I went to the community meeting. Hundreds showed up. I was impressed at the level of public participation in the event. Although there were the usual NIMBY crew and anti change naysayers, the reaction appeared mainly positive.
Markham held a meeting on the same night for the proposed Langstaff Gateway. Further proof that the two municipalities fail to consult each other on development issues.
See a link to articles on both meetings below.
Markham held a meeting on the same night for the proposed Langstaff Gateway. Further proof that the two municipalities fail to consult each other on development issues.
See a link to articles on both meetings below.
Yonge/Steeles
taal
Senior Member
So will Toronto step up with a similar plan south of Steeles?
The big problem I think is the land on Steeles i.e. to the west of Yonge in Toronto is already full of low rise homes ... to the north it's simply commerical development that can changed.
So I don't think we'll see a similar plan south of steeles anytime soon if at all.
Toronto should have a plan for Yonge though! ... it's slowly making it's way up but the land North of cummer is untouched for the most part as of now.
The big problem I think is the land on Steeles i.e. to the west of Yonge in Toronto is already full of low rise homes ... to the north it's simply commerical development that can changed.
So I don't think we'll see a similar plan south of steeles anytime soon if at all.
Toronto should have a plan for Yonge though! ... it's slowly making it's way up but the land North of cummer is untouched for the most part as of now.
jaycola
Active Member
Here is the Markham Gateway article.
jaycola
Active Member
Here is a google street view of the strip you mention of Steeles west of Yonge. Not only are there homes along this strip of steeles but they back to the street.
It's a long row of poorly maintained and mismatched fencing that is the leading edge of the city of Toronto.
It's like the city planners thought that this was going to be the end of the urban rural divide when they built this strip.
Google street view
taal
Senior Member
Great pic!
Yea that explains the situation well, so as you can see there's pretty much no room for change south of Steeles ...
Even to the north it's only a thin strip that can be redeveloped.
The only hope on the 416 end of things is that they greatly intensify Yonge and Steeles south.
Centerpoint mall's huge parking lot is a great starting point.
Yea that explains the situation well, so as you can see there's pretty much no room for change south of Steeles ...
Even to the north it's only a thin strip that can be redeveloped.
The only hope on the 416 end of things is that they greatly intensify Yonge and Steeles south.
Centerpoint mall's huge parking lot is a great starting point.
Towered
Superstar
All the city needs to do is re-zone Steeles as high density, mixed-use and gradually development will take place organically.
Sir Novelty Fashion
Senior Member
Not sure how well "organic development" has worked out for the 905 so far...
unimaginative2
Senior Member
In Europe or Asia, I think you'd see some kind of people mover shuttle to the subway for a development like the Langstaff Gateway. Alternatively, they could bend the subway to the east a little earlier. It's planned to shift a block or so east of Yonge at Richmond Hill Centre.
edit: In fact, looking at the plans, it would make perfect sense to move the station at Langstaff further east to the area around the Richmond Hill GO line. Screw the park and ride. They could even put some park and ride in the hydro corridor east of the GO line. It would be less accessible from Yonge but more accessible from the east in Markham.
edit: In fact, looking at the plans, it would make perfect sense to move the station at Langstaff further east to the area around the Richmond Hill GO line. Screw the park and ride. They could even put some park and ride in the hydro corridor east of the GO line. It would be less accessible from Yonge but more accessible from the east in Markham.
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jaycola
Active Member
In May, Markham held a public meeting regarding the rezoning of the Yonge Steeles Corridor. Vaughan is is the final stages of approving the plan for thier corner with a public meeting being held this Monday, June 14th. Public Meeting Info.
It looks like the area is primed and ready to add thousands of residential units and jobs to the area. Oddly enough, there has been little or no discussion recently as to the stalled extension to the Yonge Subway or and subsequent transit improvements designed to service this rapidly expanding location. Toronto has been silent on any plans for redevelopment this area and one has to wonder how much cooperation there is between the three municipalities which share this corner. I think this area is poised to be a true urban node but there is a need for immediate action on the transportation issue if this is to work out best for the residents of this area, new and old.
Vaughan's Section looking East, Steeles is on the right, Yonge runs diagonal across the top.
Markham's Corner looking north on Yonge, crossing diagonal through the photo, Steeles is in the lower right.
It looks like the area is primed and ready to add thousands of residential units and jobs to the area. Oddly enough, there has been little or no discussion recently as to the stalled extension to the Yonge Subway or and subsequent transit improvements designed to service this rapidly expanding location. Toronto has been silent on any plans for redevelopment this area and one has to wonder how much cooperation there is between the three municipalities which share this corner. I think this area is poised to be a true urban node but there is a need for immediate action on the transportation issue if this is to work out best for the residents of this area, new and old.
Vaughan's Section looking East, Steeles is on the right, Yonge runs diagonal across the top.
Markham's Corner looking north on Yonge, crossing diagonal through the photo, Steeles is in the lower right.
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scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
Toronto is still sitting in the starting gate in terms of planning the Yonge Street zone between North York Centre and York Region while Vaughan and Markham are off to the races...they claim they've begun an Avenues study, but that is obviously wildly insufficient given that Yonge from Drewry/Cummer to Steeles would be completely surrounded by redevelopments that extend beyond the Avenue (i.e. beyond properties with Yonge Street addresses - at least a block or two and usually including a tweaked road grid) and would be served by a subway extension (an assumption driving the York Region plans up to Hwy 7). Ideally, Beecroft and Doris need to be extended to or past Steeles before the subway extension ever begins construction.
lead82
Senior Member
Doris extension is finshed at the north end. It isn't really possible to extend it north of Bishop due to hydro corridor and buildings directly north of it. My main been with this plan is that building the subway line up Yonge wont solve the transportation problem. Markham/Vaughan have a disconnected and broken grid just north of Steeles. This will force 100% of all traffic onto the 2 already congested arterial roads. Yes with better public transport more will take transit, but it will never be the same modal split as one could get south of the 401. Thus, added road capacity is a must. That means a ring road on each side of Yonge, plus a parralel road north of Steeles that can act as a reliever. Creswood/Doncaster could work if they are made continuous from Bayview to Bathurst. Beecroft could certainly be extended up to at least Steeles, if not further north. The only problem there is you'd have to buy up lots of homes in the process.
jaycola
Active Member
I received this notice of public meeting regarding the redevelopment of the key location for the GTA.
Committee of the Whole, Report No. 42
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:00 p.m.
Council Chamber
Item 18
The Secondary Plan was adopted by Vaughan council in 2010 and while there have been no building applications to date, there have been numerous applications for density increases at Yonge and Steeles. While they do not expect to come to any final conclusions due to a transportation study in the works due to be delivered mid 2014 they intend to dscus further adjustments to the plan. Planners are recommending increasing maximum heights for the area from 30 to 35 stories. They also wish to discuss recent OMB approvals for additional facilities at the Auto dealerships in direct opposition to the cities approved development plan. At present the plan is for 9660 residential units and 4500 jobs for the area.
Toronto recommending 40 stories for this corner and has their own public meeting October 17th to discuss their plans for the North Yonge corridor which include this intersection. Information on preferred densities and built form available in the links.
Markham having completed their studies for the area and already developing one of the largest developments (World on Yonge) in the GTA and havng just approved a second condo project for just south of World on Yonge is well ahead in moving forward on this area. Here is a link to their report. Markham
All three cities make one same assumption in their separate studies that the subway will one day be extended through this corridor. Based on the rapid sale of the World on Yonge project and the numerous applications for the area there is a great demand from developers and citizens for redevelopment of this street corner. Markham envisions a more modest 4900 residential units and 3600 jobs.
What is evident is that all three municipalities see this Corridor as a prime redevelopment area and Gateway Hub for the region in keeping with Ontario's Places to Grow. Let's hope that together the three cities can make this corner something urban and efficient for residents and the labour force who will occupy the area.
Committee of the Whole, Report No. 42
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 1:00 p.m.
Council Chamber
Item 18
The Secondary Plan was adopted by Vaughan council in 2010 and while there have been no building applications to date, there have been numerous applications for density increases at Yonge and Steeles. While they do not expect to come to any final conclusions due to a transportation study in the works due to be delivered mid 2014 they intend to dscus further adjustments to the plan. Planners are recommending increasing maximum heights for the area from 30 to 35 stories. They also wish to discuss recent OMB approvals for additional facilities at the Auto dealerships in direct opposition to the cities approved development plan. At present the plan is for 9660 residential units and 4500 jobs for the area.
Toronto recommending 40 stories for this corner and has their own public meeting October 17th to discuss their plans for the North Yonge corridor which include this intersection. Information on preferred densities and built form available in the links.
Markham having completed their studies for the area and already developing one of the largest developments (World on Yonge) in the GTA and havng just approved a second condo project for just south of World on Yonge is well ahead in moving forward on this area. Here is a link to their report. Markham
All three cities make one same assumption in their separate studies that the subway will one day be extended through this corridor. Based on the rapid sale of the World on Yonge project and the numerous applications for the area there is a great demand from developers and citizens for redevelopment of this street corner. Markham envisions a more modest 4900 residential units and 3600 jobs.
What is evident is that all three municipalities see this Corridor as a prime redevelopment area and Gateway Hub for the region in keeping with Ontario's Places to Grow. Let's hope that together the three cities can make this corner something urban and efficient for residents and the labour force who will occupy the area.
canarob
Senior Member
It may take 20 years, but the subway will make it to Highway 7 eventually. Adding more jobs and residents to this area will only make a subway extension more inevitable. Even before the subway extension, hopefully fare integration between VIVA and TTC will happen and make transit a cheaper option in this area.
Why does this thread also include something about Jane and Highway 7? Seems kind of random!
Why does this thread also include something about Jane and Highway 7? Seems kind of random!
innsertnamehere
Superstar
If the transit taxes pass the subway will go ahead.