afransen
Senior Member
I think we know what will happen with those bike lanes if built as shown here (convenient parking to 'just quickly grab Starbucks').
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I think we know what will happen with those bike lanes if built as shown here (convenient parking to 'just quickly grab Starbucks').
Northern Light
Superstar
Any bike lanes built on Yonge will have some form of physical separation; but it didn't look pretty in the render.
ADRM
Senior Member
Indeed; see Sherbourne.
ShonTron
Moderator
That Starbucks is gone, so no worries there.
Andy_in_Toronto
Active Member
I studied the plans today. I can see there are only a couple of 100m pedestrian zones. The text says it was intentionally reduced to provide ride share (Uber, Lyft, etc.) access. So pedestrians are second and Uber is first. What purpose to have Dundas Sq. (south) road open for cars makes no sense. Also, south down to Shuter St. to provide one lane for cars is stupid. This solely caters to Uber. Around Gould St. the same thing.
This proposal is way to inconsistent and to confusing. We can expect drivers getting around those proposed "gates" as why they should drive through. Also this leaves a way too big of a target for terrorist attacks who could "conveniently" drive into people. Those orange zones are making that threat possible and breaking a consistent design that would otherwise serve residents well. Sad!
This proposal is way to inconsistent and to confusing. We can expect drivers getting around those proposed "gates" as why they should drive through. Also this leaves a way too big of a target for terrorist attacks who could "conveniently" drive into people. Those orange zones are making that threat possible and breaking a consistent design that would otherwise serve residents well. Sad!
afransen
Senior Member
I don't think terrorism is a big problem with the design. You can get attacks like the incel van attack almost anywhere. Big events with crowds will be protected with blocking trucks and concrete barriers. I think retractable bollards would be preferable to gates.
allengeorge
Senior Member
@Andy_in_Toronto I brought these comments up in the online community meeting. It wasn’t just Uber - it was also Wheeltrans and business delivery access.
Still, I found it frustrating that these couldn’t be done on the side streets.
Still, I found it frustrating that these couldn’t be done on the side streets.
ADRM
Senior Member
Matt Elliott is live tweeting from the IEC committee meeting in which they are debating this item, and shared what I think might be a couple new renderings(?). Also, just in case you were wondering how dumb the opposition arguments would get, the head of the company that owns a bunch of billboards is arguing that people somehow see billboards better from cars (??!?!?), which of course prompted Denzil Minnan-Wong, ever the pig-headed Luddite, to proclaim that this will "take away the excitement" of Yonge.
I can't even.
Also, CF is bad now:
I can't even.
Also, CF is bad now:
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allengeorge
Senior Member
The entire live-tweet thread:
Thanks @ADRM for all the updates. FWIW, both Pasternak and Denzil Minnan-Wong tried to defer; that just failed. (Oof - those two are the worst councillors in terms of pedestrian improvements; they voted against the Midtown Yonge proposal as well).
After this, next stop Council? Hopefully it passes there. DMW may try to pull his “Yonge Street belongs to all of us” to torpedo it.
Thanks @ADRM for all the updates. FWIW, both Pasternak and Denzil Minnan-Wong tried to defer; that just failed. (Oof - those two are the worst councillors in terms of pedestrian improvements; they voted against the Midtown Yonge proposal as well).
After this, next stop Council? Hopefully it passes there. DMW may try to pull his “Yonge Street belongs to all of us” to torpedo it.
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afransen
Senior Member
Not a fan of the gates.
Richard White
Senior Member
One thing I learned over the years is that CF can be very hard to deal with at times with things being their way or the highway.
I don't see how business would suffer at the Eaton Centre if Yonge was closed though as there is an entrance onto Bay for parking and the loading docks are on Bay as well.
Northern Light
Superstar
This has passed committed 4-2, Minnan-Wong and Pasternak opposed.
As per Matt Elliott:
As per Matt Elliott:
Towered
Senior Member
That little stub of a street south of Yonge-Dundas Square should be permanently closed and absorbed into the square itself.
afransen
Senior Member
I thought they needed it for the one way circulation.
Richard White
Senior Member
It really should but I suspect it plays a role in accessing O'keefe Lane which is the backside of the stores on Yonge. You can't have your cake and eat it too.