[salsa]

To maximize the amount of space available for developers.

And in return, this is the kind of third-rate architectural rubbish they are proposing.

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2017/07/massive-tower-complex-works-scarborough-centre

 

[cplchanb]

And in return, this is the kind of third-rate architectural rubbish they are proposing.

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2017/07/massive-tower-complex-works-scarborough-centre


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What type of design do you propose then to satisfy your requirements of a non rubbish design?

 

[TransitBart]

Always looking back.

Would you prefer a Trumpian dictat from the top?

Or like to live in Venezuela right now?

A healthy debate will include, well, debate.

 

[lead82]

The problem with this development is how it meets the street. How about a nice landmark building like Monde or Absolute World. Garage should be below ground and retail along the street canopy to animate the area. Otherwise why would anyone walk there if there are no shops and just garage entrances.

 

[M II A II R II K]

Hopefully that open space for parking can be converted into new streets with walkable sidewalks. Perhaps with streetcars that feed into the new SCC Station.

 

[Rainforest]

Sheppard Subway says hello.

Not comparable. Sheppard remains an isolated line and hence its usage stats are counted separately. That helps the subway haters to depict it as something truly horrible, even though it is only as bad as the least used stations on the YUS and BD lines. The overall good stats for the YUS and BD lines successfully hide poor stats for some particular stations.

Being on the BD line, the Scarborough Centre station will beat many other stations of the same line.

 

[Rainforest]

Improves the connectivity of SCC while degrading the connectivity of Scarborough as a whole.

Only if you don't count the buses as transit at all.

The number of riders for whom the new arrangement will be more convenient exceeds the number of those inconvenienced.

 

[Rainforest]

In all honesty, Fords plan to extend it to Sheppard with stops at Lawrence and SCC was better than the one stop and SmartTrack (is GO RER).

That plan was better, indeed. But it wasn't Ford's plan.

In theory the compromise plan was supposed to include the LRT to UTSC but there won't be any money for that.

Unless the transit expansion stops completely, that line has a good chance to get funding within the next few years; whether it is tied to SSE or not.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Only if you don't count the buses as transit at all.

What? In what world are busses not considered transit? More than half of all TTC trips are made by bus. The huge majority of TTC subways trips originate from bus transfers. You can't just pretend buses don't exist.

The number of riders for whom the new arrangement will be more bconvenient exceeds the number of those inconvenienced.

Most of the riders traveling to Scarborough Centre Station are getting there by bus.

 

[Sakraycore]

Even though this current plan is pretty horrid, it's good that it's moving along still. Should extend it to Sheppard in the future though.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Would an extension to Sheppard be more or less likely than a future stop at Lawrence (assuming it doesn't get build initially).

 

[OneCity]

Would an extension to Sheppard be more or less likely than a future stop at Lawrence (assuming it doesn't get build initially).

As it stands right now the Sheppard subway extension is far more likely. But when?

The fate of the Lawrence stop will likely be decided at the 30% design vote. If the vote comes after the election it will be a key topic highlighted to Scarborough voters. Many subway supporters are currently quite upset we are building this line with only one stop. And it has nothing to do with anyone wanting LRT. I expect it to be a close vote and for it to pass it will mean some councilors will have to soften their stance to make the best put of a bad situation. Even if they don't build it initially it still needs to be roughed in and that wont happen without the support to add it into the design. Currently it is not. Coin flip odds it gets added in.

Sheppard line is getting built. The only question is when? My guess is an extension it unlikely to happen during with this construction of the SSE but will be discussed at election time to help push the Lawrence stop thru possibly. It may be more likely to occur around the same time or just following the DRL long with a package with Sheppard West. This line was pretty much a done deal once the LRT was "postponed" and the BDL extension to SSE only give the Sheppard line more support as a loop. The support for this loop is pretty large in Scarborough. The Province is fully aware of this and not sure there isn't enough savings to warrant another battle over a transfer technology, which unlike the SSE the battle been had and has time to plan accordingly.

The bigger question for Scarborough is how does Malvern get integrated?

• LRT from City Centre to Markham/Milner and or MTC?
• Eglinton East LRT extension into MTC?
• Subway from SCC to Markham/Milner
• A combo for Eglinton East and City Centre extension

My guess is we see Eglinton East LRT gets extended within 10 years as a political gesture to get something built out there and then a few decades of napkin plans from SCC which becomes the next game Poltical kick-ball.

 

[M II A II R II K]

Perhaps there could be a one stop extension from Don Mills to SCC as well on the Sheppard Line.

 

[Sakraycore]

Perhaps there could be a one stop extension from Don Mills to SCC as well on the Sheppard Line.

I feel like that has to be done to revive the Sheppard white elephant line.

 

[syn]

Perhaps there could be a one stop extension from Don Mills to SCC as well on the Sheppard Line.

Great idea!

I think there should be a direct 1-stop connection from Finch to the STC. This transfer-subway solution just hasn't worked. Residents of Scarborough going to Finch deserve a direct connection, just like downtown!