sixrings
Senior Member
Yes David miller was our transit problem. We've gone seven years or so with ford and tory. See how it's a utopia now? Urbantoronto.ca has become bizarro world
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Sandpit
Active Member
I'm not suggesting to cut Hakimi Lebovic altogether. I'm saying instead of having two stops within 500 metres of each other largely serving the same catchment of riders, why not situate a bona fide station east of Pharmacy and west of Lebovic in the midblock trenched or elevated, like this?...
And as for Aga Khan, it will still be quite a walking distance uphill from where the LRT stop is going to be situated. How is direct bus service along Wynford Dr not a better way to serve the regulars that'll actually need such a stop? Remember too that Science Centre Station's station box will be on the east side of the Don Mills/Eglinton intersection. To have another station so closeby is ridiculous when we have far bigger fish to fry.
I personally support this. I also support elevating Sunnybrook Park station (eliminating the need to turn around at Laird while also giving spectacular views of the Don Valley). Unfortunately that's not what's being built.
sixrings
Senior Member
I don't think you can have an elevated stop at Leslie with a cp rail bridge directly to the east.
sixrings
Senior Member
Personally I prefer all of the not preferred options. Pretty sure like myself the planners don't prefer the price difference. That's the only answer that makes any sense based on those renderings.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Instead, we are going to get tunneled.
Ozman
Active Member
Does anyone know if the livery for the Crosstown (Bombardier Flexity Freedom) vehicles will be the grey, black and white that we've seen on the first (prototype?) Metrolinx vehicle. That grey and the grey seats inside is so drab. With all the disruption and time and money spent on this project it should project a sense of excitement and brightness. The new streetcars (bright red), the Ottawa LRT livery and the Waterloo bright blue and white livery are colourful and bright. Even the TRs have the red seats inside. When the Yonge subway was opened it featured the bright Red Rocket Gloucester cars and I believe it made it inviting, exciting and attractive. When Eglinton opens, if the livery is this plain grey it will fall completely flat. Combined with the bare concrete platform walls it will look incredibly unfinished. It will look like the line has prototypes instead of finished trains. As if the other lines' trains are painted and Eglinton's trains just have a coat of primer.
I hope my fears are unfounded but if not I think they have blown an easy chance to create excitement about the line. I believe some colours (TTC red or a nice shade of blue) would be better than others (orange or old Metrolinx green) but almost anything would be better than the grey. It's like all the other trains are in Kodachrome colour but Eglinton is in black and white.
I hope my fears are unfounded but if not I think they have blown an easy chance to create excitement about the line. I believe some colours (TTC red or a nice shade of blue) would be better than others (orange or old Metrolinx green) but almost anything would be better than the grey. It's like all the other trains are in Kodachrome colour but Eglinton is in black and white.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
Then why are you complaining and being in disagreement for? As is the case with SSE, for marginal higher costs we can build these lines correctly in the first place and never have to worry about them again. What are future generations going to do if in 50 years time they'll need to shutdown an operating Crosstown to upgrade the Richview section to grade separation, at significantly higher expenditures than today's? A billion dollars added expense to us will be $3 billion or more down the road for them.
So yeah, excuse me if I am a bit combative about Miller's legacy. Because all he's made us inherent are scattered priorities all searching for funding from the same revenue stream.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
There are photos of the first production LRV for Eglinton in testing in Kingston and it is grey.
sixrings
Senior Member
I'm complaining because I believe complaining about this plan is not going to lead to tunneling but cancelling or at the very least delaying any transit west of mount dennis
OneCity
Senior Member
Its a bunch of huge high speed elevators with large volume throughput.
Its an engineering solution to a problem, something we are unfamiliar with here in Toronto.
Toronto = "we paid a consultant firm with very specific outlines of what we wanted the results of the report to come up with, and not allow for any innovative ideas, because we favor a specific outcome over coming up with solution"
That end result is usually a half assed approach (ie no grade separations here, or a pedestrian walkway for the Waterfront LRT) or to abandon the project entirely.
The results are usually based upon "beautification" ideologies, for example with the ones I listed, "oooo at grade LRTs are so pretty" or "a walkway is so chic and European"
Just look at how the renderings for this favour the look and feel of the at grade LRT option, or how they played up the walkway for the Waterfront LRT as some kind of art installation thingy
(this image was used in the first proposal)
Meanwhile Mississauga gets a fully grade separated transitway, and York region a tunnelled subway with behemoth stations.
Toronto has become increasingly short sighted. All these transit projects are generational projects where the cost to enhance today will seem like a bargain in 50 years. Do it right the first time.
sixrings
Senior Member
That's an optimistic view. Complaining doesn't always lead to better things.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
For the Martin Grove grade separating stop
CONS*
• Prolonged impacts to traffic on both Eglinton and Martin Grove, both major arterials, during construction
• Bus loop not advisable
• Below grade stop results in less opportunity for natural surveillance
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This is Martin Grove and Eglinton. Surveilling what? The grassy median between the highway ramps?
CONS*
• Prolonged impacts to traffic on both Eglinton and Martin Grove, both major arterials, during construction
• Bus loop not advisable
• Below grade stop results in less opportunity for natural surveillance
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This is Martin Grove and Eglinton. Surveilling what? The grassy median between the highway ramps?
OneCity
Senior Member
Natural surveillance - In regular terms this is basically ensuring people are in the eyes of law enforcement?
Are the inferring they don't trust the Citizens in these areas lol.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Yes and no.
It is referring more to a Jane Jacobs idea of natural surveillance.
But I fail to see how this is a reasonable concern to be having at Martin Grove and Eglinton. People are not exactly spending time around here outside of the automobile. This station will be overwhelmingly served through bus feeders.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
What indeed. And a bus loop is not advisable? Since when? Seems like a natural terminus for the 111 and 52G to me and north/south bus riders on the 46 will desire it too. But again, we're downsizing Crosstown West at all costs to the point this line is becoming worthless.