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The situation in Ontario seems on a knife-edge. We are in a 2nd wave but it does not seem to be overwhelming like in Quebec and elsewhere.

People want to take steps but enforcing COVID lockdown 2 will be difficult for the government with no end date in sight.
 
Jasmine18 said:
The situation in Ontario seems on a knife-edge. We are in a 2nd wave but it does not seem to be overwhelming like in Quebec and elsewhere.

People want to take steps but enforcing COVID lockdown 2 will be difficult for the government with no end date in sight.
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Listen to the experts (and I don't mean the ones directly under the employ of the provincial government doing speeches daily but have nothing else to show for it) - they have already warned where we are heading if we don't take action. And I don't care how "difficult" it is for the government, it's their job. If you want it easy, go back home and run a label shop or a pot dispensary.

AoD
 
AlbertC said:
Looks like this guy is among other anti-maskers who are planning their own Santa Claus parade:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1313484923479773191
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Chris Saccocia is a nutbar and completely delusional if he thinks promoting this bulls*** will help his upcoming case any.

I really think he needs to have the book thrown at him in November. A little time in jail should help him see the light.

As for this "parade" it's not a protest nor is it expressing anything (other than a willfull disregard for the law). I wonder if the police can shut it down before it begins in the name of civil disobedience.
 
Richard White said:
Chris Saccocia is a nutbar and completely delusional if he thinks promoting this bulls*** will help his upcoming case any.

I really think he needs to have the book thrown at him in November. A little time in jail should help him see the light.

As for this "parade" it's not a protest nor is it expressing anything (other than a willfull disregard for the law). I wonder if the police can shut it down before it begins in the name of civil disobedience.
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I don't think he "cares" about his cause - I think he cares about notoriety - the chair girl kind.

AoD
 
This guy comes from a family who develops suburban and custom houses, Sky Homes. Not sure if he still holds a day job, apart from being a full time tool. Read somewhere online that his parents have disassociated from him after his ongoing anti-lockdown antics.
 
Richard White said:
I would have to say that the Province of Ontario is exceeding it's ability to handle the pandemic. Quebec is likely not far behind.

Ford would object but that objection would not sit too well with the general population. Ford is starting to go full Trump and ignoring both scientists and doctors.

If things start going to hell and Ford pretends nothing wrong, there will be sufficient motivation for invoking the act. I can see the other provinces banding together for their own good to get tough on Ford. I cannot foresee a situation where the rest of Canada lets Ontario put the economy before Public Health when they too are having to make difficult choices.
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Although the Act uses the word "consult", I would highly doubt the federal government would invoke the Act in a province that didn't request it. Whether the other provinces gang up on Ontario (and/or Quebec) likely depends on how they view the impact on their economies, and I'm not enough of an economist to know that. Out west, crops and still being harvested and the petro industry tanked for other reasons. In the east, seafood is still being hauled, container ships still unload. Even considering tourism, it's mid-October so that is winding down and any further restriction in movement would further aggravate whatever remains of it. Outside of Ontario and Quebec, the numbers are comparatively low. In Ontario, my Public Health Unit (pop ~ 400,0000) reports 956 cases/39 deaths since this whole thing began; other PHU areas are lower.

I'm not pillorying defending the actions of the provincial government, but asking, considering the scope of federal powers under the Emergencies Act, what are people expecting the federal government to do beyond what the provincial government is already empowered to do? The only area I can see that is even halfways applicable is the power to regulate or restrict travel "to, from or within" a designated area. If that is the goal, and keeping in mind the Charter, I would suggest there aren't enough cops, military, firefighters or dogcatchers in the entire country to accomplish that in the GTA. I mention the Charter because I doubt there exists any justifiable State authority to confront somebody in a public place to determine their justification for being there (i.e; a nurse walking to work vs. heading to a party).

You want to shut down bars, restaurants, casinos, places of worship, etc., fine, but it seems to me that is within the power of the province, not the feds.

Here's the scope of potential federal powers:

8 (1) While a declaration of a public welfare emergency is in effect, the Governor in Council may make such orders or regulations with respect to the following matters as the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, are necessary for dealing with the emergency:

  • (a) the regulation or prohibition of travel to, from or within any specified area, where necessary for the protection of the health or safety of individuals;
  • (b) the evacuation of persons and the removal of personal property from any specified area and the making of arrangements for the adequate care and protection of the persons and property;
  • (c) the requisition, use or disposition of property;
  • (d) the authorization of or direction to any person, or any person of a class of persons, to render essential services of a type that that person, or a person of that class, is competent to provide and the provision of reasonable compensation in respect of services so rendered;
  • (e) the regulation of the distribution and availability of essential goods, services and resources;
  • (f) the authorization and making of emergency payments;
  • (g) the establishment of emergency shelters and hospitals;
  • (h) the assessment of damage to any works or undertakings and the repair, replacement or restoration thereof;
  • (i) the assessment of damage to the environment and the elimination or alleviation of the damage; and
  • (j) the imposition
    • (i) on summary conviction, of a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both that fine and imprisonment, or
    • (ii) on indictment, of a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding five years or both that fine and imprisonment,
  • for contravention of any order or regulation made under this section.
 
lenaitch said:
Although the Act uses the word "consult", I would highly doubt the federal government would invoke the Act in a province that didn't request it. Whether the other provinces gang up on Ontario (and/or Quebec) likely depends on how they view the impact on their economies, and I'm not enough of an economist to know that. Out west, crops and still being harvested and the petro industry tanked for other reasons. In the east, seafood is still being hauled, container ships still unload. Even considering tourism, it's mid-October so that is winding down and any further restriction in movement would further aggravate whatever remains of it. Outside of Ontario and Quebec, the numbers are comparatively low. In Ontario, my Public Health Unit (pop ~ 400,0000) reports 956 cases/39 deaths since this whole thing began; other PHU areas are lower.

I'm not pillorying defending the actions of the provincial government, but asking, considering the scope of federal powers under the Emergencies Act, what are people expecting the federal government to do beyond what the provincial government is already empowered to do? The only area I can see that is even halfways applicable is the power to regulate or restrict travel "to, from or within" a designated area. If that is the goal, and keeping in mind the Charter, I would suggest there aren't enough cops, military, firefighters or dogcatchers in the entire country to accomplish that in the GTA. I mention the Charter because I doubt there exists any justifiable State authority to confront somebody in a public place to determine their justification for being there (i.e; a nurse walking to work vs. heading to a party).

You want to shut down bars, restaurants, casinos, places of worship, etc., fine, but it seems to me that is within the power of the province, not the feds.

Here's the scope of potential federal powers:

8 (1) While a declaration of a public welfare emergency is in effect, the Governor in Council may make such orders or regulations with respect to the following matters as the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, are necessary for dealing with the emergency:

  • (a) the regulation or prohibition of travel to, from or within any specified area, where necessary for the protection of the health or safety of individuals;
  • (b) the evacuation of persons and the removal of personal property from any specified area and the making of arrangements for the adequate care and protection of the persons and property;
  • (c) the requisition, use or disposition of property;
  • (d) the authorization of or direction to any person, or any person of a class of persons, to render essential services of a type that that person, or a person of that class, is competent to provide and the provision of reasonable compensation in respect of services so rendered;
  • (e) the regulation of the distribution and availability of essential goods, services and resources;
  • (f) the authorization and making of emergency payments;
  • (g) the establishment of emergency shelters and hospitals;
  • (h) the assessment of damage to any works or undertakings and the repair, replacement or restoration thereof;
  • (i) the assessment of damage to the environment and the elimination or alleviation of the damage; and
  • (j) the imposition
    • (i) on summary conviction, of a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both that fine and imprisonment, or
    • (ii) on indictment, of a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding five years or both that fine and imprisonment,
  • for contravention of any order or regulation made under this section.
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Using the Act is a really crude way of bending the province even if you could - it would be easier for the Feds to tighten the spigots for fiscal support absent a serious attempt at pandemic control instead.

AoD
 
Ontario is reporting 583 cases of #COVID19 as nearly 43,300 tests were completed. Locally, there are 173 new cases in Toronto, 121 in Ottawa, 75 in York Region and 70 in Peel. 60% of today’s cases are in people under the age of 40. There are 707 more resolved cases.
 
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