[Monarch Butterfly]

Beautiful building, though. The shop potential is huge, there's a Balzacs right around the corner but I feel like another one may be welcome here.

I can see people stopping off at the dentist, doctor, pharmacy, barber/beauty parlour, green grocer, dry cleaners, newspaper vendor (whatever that is), post office (whatever that is), butcher, baker, candlestick maker (okay, leave that one out), etc.. at any transit hub.

 

[timio]

I see the bridge, but I can't quite make out if there are stairs on the left side of King Street.

Likely just outside of the map. I think it's safe to assume there will be a way to get down to the same level as the MUT that's being built over there.

 

[Garuda]

Beautiful building, though. The shop potential is huge, there's a Balzacs right around the corner but I feel like another one may be welcome here.

I'm counting down the days until that U Haul location is gone and replaced with condos (and street level shops)

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

1. The obligatory "That bus terminal is too damn small"
2. How are people supposed to get to the SB iON trains?
3. How are people supposed to get to the North GO Platform?
4. Shops? Seriously, none?

1. The bus terminal is for intercity buses only. GRT buses stop on the street.
2, 3. Answered with image above
4. There's future plans for mixed use development on the property that will address this.

 

[Streety McCarface]

1. The bus terminal is for intercity buses only. GRT buses stop on the street.
2, 3. Answered with image above
4. There's future plans for mixed use development on the property that will address this.

It shouldn't be for intercity buses only. It's a central transit centre. It should serve all buses that serve the GO station.

The other two were more of a criticism of the video rendering itself and how it doesn't show this.

 

[DKsan]

It shouldn't be for intercity buses only. It's a central transit centre. It should serve all buses that serve the GO station.

The other two were more of a criticism of the video rendering itself and how it doesn't show this.

Grand River Transit, upon the start of ION service, abandoned the spoke-and-hub system, particularly centred around the Charles Street Terminal, in favour of the grid-like system of the TTC (which, in systems that have emulated it previously like Brampton Transit, has led to increased ridership growth). Most of the routes in-and-out of DT Kitchener are now interlined to go across and through town, so diverting to the terminal is probably not the best idea.

 

[Streety McCarface]

Grand River Transit, upon the start of ION service, abandoned the spoke-and-hub system, particularly centred around the Charles Street Terminal, in favour of the grid-like system of the TTC (which, in systems that have emulated it previously like Brampton Transit, has led to increased ridership growth). Most of the routes in-and-out of DT Kitchener are now interlined to go across and through town, so diverting to the terminal is probably not the best idea.

I don't know how many times I have to argue this, but a grid system still requires convenient and easy connection points (see the TTC), something the current network really lacks. If you're going to make people transfer, you have to make it convenient.

You can still divert a bus route to serve the terminal, then leave the terminal immediately instead of laying over, but centralize that connection instead of forcing commuters to wander around aimlessly wondering where the hell their bus stops.

 

[tmlittle]

I don't know how many times I have to argue this, but a grid system still requires convenient and easy connection points (see the TTC), something the current network really lacks. If you're going to make people transfer, you have to make it convenient.

You can still divert a bus route to serve the terminal, then leave the terminal immediately instead of laying over, but centralize that connection instead of forcing commuters to wander around aimlessly wondering where the hell their bus stops.

I feel like people who uphold the lack of bus bays act like the people who want more bus bays are trying to have a 1970s downtown bus terminal. It's not that proponents want every bus rerouted to the station, it's that GRT buses, including an iXpress, will be stopping on-street rather than at the bus terminal for no real reason.

 

[superelevation]

It will work as we saw one in Phoenix last year that had gates for traffic and pedestrians. The trams only ran every 15 minutes.

Saw one in Europe back in 2012 as well.

Down under have a few also.

Just because it might work doesn't make it a great idea!

 

[NY99]

Just because it might work doesn't make it a great idea!

doesn’t make it not one either

 

[afransen]

Just because it might work doesn't make it a great idea!

Honestly, what's the problem? The LRT would never have to stop at such an intersection as there are no traffic lights to coordinate with. And as long as the LRT is not too frequent, the delay for cars should be minimal.

 

[jamincan]

I feel like people who uphold the lack of bus bays act like the people who want more bus bays are trying to have a 1970s downtown bus terminal. It's not that proponents want every bus rerouted to the station, it's that GRT buses, including an iXpress, will be stopping on-street rather than at the bus terminal for no real reason.

It's not for no reason. Diverting routes into a terminal adds significant time and variability to schedules. The reality is that the present stop locations are largely more optimal than a terminal stop would be anyway, except for riders transferring to GO.

 

[Streety McCarface]

It's not for no reason. Diverting routes into a terminal adds significant time and variability to schedules. The reality is that the present stop locations are largely more optimal than a terminal stop would be anyway, except for riders transferring to GO.

Significant time usually means an additional 2-3 minutes with the added benefits of:

1. Centralized transit operations (easy of wayfinding) (Do not confuse this with a centralized transit network, those are completely different things)
2. Ease of transferring (Saving probably 3-5 minutes walking to a particular bus stop)
3. Flexible operations (easy shortturn locations, layover facilities if necessary, spare bus swapping)
4. Climate Controlled shelters
5. Fewer Shelters
6. Better timing with GO trains
7. More space for people to wait (anyone who's been at the SE corner of Victora and King waiting for a rush hour bus already knows the pain)
8. Better ammenities for passengers
9. Potential charging station locations (for BOBs)
10. Easier mantainence
11. More accessible access (especially in winter)


You don't need a 30 bay bus terminal to achieve this, but at the very least adequate looping facilities for buses passing through. You also need to route your buses adequately to the terminal. I'd much rather see a better terminal facility here than a piss poor parking lot at this station, especially with Breslau GO.

 

[awaterwell]

I didn't have time to take a picture, but there's another pillar sign up at the Phillip Street entrance to the UW bus station. I wonder if more will go up at other "off-street" stations?

 

[tmlittle]

I didn't have time to take a picture, but there's another pillar sign up at the Phillip Street entrance to the UW bus station. I wonder if more will go up at other "off-street" stations?

Are there any other locations besides Fairway?