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If Doug gets both Eg West and Scarborough subway contracts awarded, he has done more in the last 2 years than the Liberals did in a decade.

When Doug gets the 401 expansion contract out, he does the whole 18km all the way to Milton. The Liberals only manage to start 410 to Credit River in a decade and have that finally done recently. I have zero confidence in Del Duca.
 
Its a little more complicated with an LRT line. More safety stuff for photographers.

There are also tons of photos on their instagram, twitter, Facebook and on their blog.
Metrolinx doesn't add pictures very often. Which is very disappointing for one of the largest infrastructure projects on Canadian soil in a long time. You would think they would want to show off what they are building in more detail. I once asked the Crosstown media team if they could have something like what the NY MTA Capital Construction group does on Flickr. They basically gave me a non answer, and told me to keep checking their social media accounts for updates. If the MTA can keep a photographer on staff for their major projects, and regularly add pictures to Flickr for public consumption, surely safety concerns for a photographer by Metrolinx could be addressed.

Check out the album for MTA East Side Access here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtacc-esa/ Just one of many albums they have. Second Avenue Subway, and the 7 extension to Hudson Yards was also extensively covered on Flickr.

@CaskoChan Check out the link I posted above for NY MTA. That is a photo album!
 
There is a lot of inertia behind LPO. They will bounce back strongly even with a damp rag as leader. LPO support collapsed due to exhaustion with the previous administration.
The LPO atm have absolutely nothing. Sure the brand could carry a lot but especially with a damp rag, they really need to pull a rabbit out of their hat to get any form of momentum. Any votes they get would at best be "anti Doug Ford" votes and even then that doesn't seem like a good strategy at least given the state of Ontario today. Its especially important to note that because they lost major party status, the amount of news coverage the LPO got was basically non-existant. I'd bet if you asked most people in Ontario who the current liberal leader is, a good majority of them wouldn't be able to give you an answer.
 
When Doug gets the 401 expansion contract out, he does the whole 18km all the way to Milton. The Liberals only manage to start 410 to Credit River in a decade and have that finally done recently. I have zero confidence in Del Duca.
This has nothing to do with politicians, this has to do with Infrastructure Ontario & the MTO's funding and scheduling goals.
It also has to do with the fact that the Milton section is being built with Asphalt over concrete, which, when considering MTO specs, is about 5* easier to construct.

There are also huge swaths of the corridor that are built in farmland and with extensive ROW sections. Building that section is a lot easier.

Finally, Dufferin is incompetent.
 
. LPO support collapsed due to exhaustion with the previous administration.

And Del Duca was an integral cog in that previous administration. By choosing him leader, LPO chose to renew/life extend that administration rather than excise the attitudes and complacency that wore out their welcome with the voters.
I’m no Ford fan but I predict he will be reelected.

- Paul
 
And Del Duca was an integral cog in that previous administration. By choosing him leader, LPO chose to renew/life extend that administration rather than excise the attitudes and complacency that wore out their welcome with the voters.
I’m no Ford fan but I predict he will be reelected.

- Paul
So do I. Del Duca is a dud. LPO is in the doldrums and will need to lose the next election and select a new leader to have any hope. There is a chance that he will displace the NDP as the opposition, though.
 
If Doug gets both Eg West and Scarborough subway contracts awarded, he has done more in the last 2 years than the Liberals did in a decade.

When Doug gets the 401 expansion contract out, he does the whole 18km all the way to Milton. The Liberals only manage to start 410 to Credit River in a decade and have that finally done recently. I have zero confidence in Del Duca.

Ummm..........don't get me wrong, the previous administration made its share of mis-steps.

Some of them scandalously so.

But....

That statement is rather an over-reach.

The two projects above represent 17km of transit.

The previous Administration.........

Planned, Approved, Funded and substantially Constructed the subject of this thread, which is a 19km route.

It did the same for the TYSSE (Spadina Subway Extension)

That's another 8.6km

For a total of 27.6km right there.

They also substantially increased GO Transit Service, moving from Hourly on Lakeshore to every 30m all-day, and every 15m on weekdays (daytime)

Not to mention substantially going from rush-hour, to 2-way, all-day service on the Barrie Line; and coming close to that, on weekday for the Kitchener corridor (rush hours excepted).

That's not to suggest they couldn't or shouldn't have done better; or that they didn't over promise and under deliver.

But Doug Ford is a very long way from achieving more than the the McGuinty/Wynne Liberals on transit, or pretty much any other file.
 
I'd bet if you asked most people in Ontario who the current liberal leader is, a good majority of them wouldn't be able to give you an answer.
Dont worry, with his experience as Minister of Photo-Ops, i'm sure he will be having 300+ photo-ops next year in the run up to next years election. Finding a way to bore the public less than 10 seconds into each one.

People have said that McGuinty was one of the least enthusiastic political leaders they've ever seen, but Del Duca is 100 times worse.
 
Ummm..........don't get me wrong, the previous administration made its share of mis-steps.

Some of them scandalously so.

But....

That statement is rather an over-reach.

The two projects above represent 17km of transit.

The previous Administration.........

Planned, Approved, Funded and substantially Constructed the subject of this thread, which is a 19km route.

It did the same for the TYSSE (Spadina Subway Extension)

That's another 8.6km

For a total of 27.6km right there.

They also substantially increased GO Transit Service, moving from Hourly on Lakeshore to every 30m all-day, and every 15m on weekdays (daytime)

Not to mention substantially going from rush-hour, to 2-way, all-day service on the Barrie Line; and coming close to that, on weekday for the Kitchener corridor (rush hours excepted).

That's not to suggest they couldn't or shouldn't have done better; or that they didn't over promise and under deliver.

But Doug Ford is a very long way from achieving more than the the McGuinty/Wynne Liberals on transit, or pretty much any other file.
Until you realize this is all they did in 15 YEARS
just say you hate poor people, this is safe space
"People who disagree with me only do so because they hate (insert group here)"
You do know that strawmanning is a bad form of debate right?

No, just because you like Doug Ford or support the conservatives doesn't mean you hate poor people, and upholding this rhetoric is what leads to the situation in the US where political divides are tearing the country apart. The more we spread this vile rhetoric, the less we see each other as human beings, and as civil discussions collapses, that's where the fists come out.
 
They also substantially increased GO Transit Service, moving from Hourly on Lakeshore to every 30m all-day, and every 15m on weekdays (daytime)

Not to mention substantially going from rush-hour, to 2-way, all-day service on the Barrie Line; and coming close to that, on weekday for the Kitchener corridor (rush hours excepted).

That's not to suggest they couldn't or shouldn't have done better; or that they didn't over promise and under deliver.

But Doug Ford is a very long way from achieving more than the the McGuinty/Wynne Liberals on transit, or pretty much any other file.

Fair enough, but let’s not forget the Liberals

- Committed, but then cut back, Crosstown from Renforth to Mount Dennis
- Began the West Harbour GO extension, to service the Pan Am games, but halted work once the games were confirmed
- Promised, but then cancelled, GO service to Bolton
- Promised GO service to Bowmanville, but took no action to fund or execute
- Declared UPE “on time, on budget” completion while cutting back GO-related GTS scope and deferring 2WAD, 7-day service on the Kitchener line
- Promised enhanced GO service to Kitchener but took no action to fund or execute the necessary track construction
- Promised HSR, completed a major study, then shelved the idea
- Promised electrification, but took no action to fund or execute, then promised to study hydrogen trains instead
-Proposed and initiated negotiations on a Milton bypass, but never completed the deal
- Conducted the design and business case analysis on GO RER, but never funded or executed; suspended procurement to develop a P3 process which has subsequently been found to require substantial greatly rework
- Commissioned a number of GO station design projects, some of which have been shelved while others (Bloomington) are clearly excessive, failed to complete others on time/schedule (Burlington)
- Executed, but then overrode, a new station prioritization analysis

During Ford’s tenure, the Cons have
- Confirmed and begun execution of the Stoney Creek GO extension
- Restarted and completed the West Harbour track signal and station project
- Confirmed and initiated extension to Bowmanville
- Confirmed and initiated the rest of the GTS project including the 409 tunnel
- Confirmed and begun construction of the Finch and Hurontario LRT lines
- Confirmed and continued double tracking of the Stouffville line to Unionville
- Funded and initiated track improvements Georgetown- Kitchener
- Confirmed and initiated the Davenport Diamond flyover and some double tracking on the Barrie line
- Confirmed and continued signal and track improvements in the USRC

Ford has bobbled a few transit things, yes, and Hamilton got shafted, but compared to what we feared when he assumed the Premier’s role, he has advanced the transit file pretty well - fewer promises, but more of what has been promised or confirmed is actually being initiated. It’s other files (urban development, municipal affairs, environment) that are his danger areas IMHO.

- Paul
 
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Fair enough, but let’s not forget the Liberals

- Committed, but then cut back, Crosstown from Renforth to Mount Dennis
- Began the West Harbour GO extension, to service the Pan Am games, but halted work once the games were confirmed
- Promised, but then cancelled, GO service to Bolton
- Promised GO service to Bowmanville, but took no action to fund or execute
- Declared UPE “on time, on budget” completion while cutting back GO-related GTS scope and deferring 2WAD, 7-day service on the Kitchener line
- Promised enhanced GO service to Kitchener but took no action to fund or execute the necessary track construction
- Promised HSR, completed a major study, then shelved the idea
- Promised electrification, but took no action to fund or execute, then promised to study hydrogen trains instead
-Proposed and initiated negotiations on a Milton bypass, but never completed the deal
- Conducted the design and business case analysis on GO RER, but never funded or executed; suspended procurement to develop a P3 process which has subsequently been found to require substantial greatly rework
- Commissioned a number of GO station design projects, some of which have been shelved while others (Bloomington) are clearly excessive, failed to complete others on time/schedule (Burlington)
- Executed, but then overrode, a new station prioritization analysis

During Ford’s tenure, the Cons have
- Confirmed and begun execution of the Stoney Creek GO extension
- Restarted and completed the West Harbour track signal and station project
- Confirmed and initiated extension to Bowmanville
- Confirmed and initiated the rest of the GTS project including the 409 tunnel
- Confirmed and begun construction of the Finch and Hurontario LRT lines
- Confirmed and continued double tracking of the Stouffville line to Unionville
- Funded and initiated track improvements Georgetown- Kitchener
- Confirmed and initiated the Davenport Diamond flyover and some double tracking on the Barrie line

Ford has bobbled a few transit things, yes, and Hamilton got shafted, but compared to what we feared when he assumed the Premier’s role, he has advanced the transit file pretty well - fewer promises, but more of what has been promised or confirmed is actually being initiated. It’s other files (urban development, municipal affairs, environment) that are his danger areas.

- Paul

Paul.

I'm all for being fair; and balanced.

I took aim at an over-reach; while rightly admitting the serious flaws of the previous administration.

I tend to think of you as a fair poster.

But the above is seriously problem-laden.

Lets start with Kitchener Tunnel, this is the project timeline from Infrastructure Ontario. The winning bidder was selected six months prior to Doug Ford becoming Premier.

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From: https://www.infrastructureontario.ca/RER-Highway-401-Rail-Tunnel/

In respect of this statement:

Promised enhanced GO service to Kitchener but took no action to fund or execute the necessary track construction

The current (pre-pandemic), dramatically enhanced GO service exists entirely on infrastructure in place prior to Doug Ford becoming Premier.

They certainly needed to do more, and faster.............

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On Bomanville, there is zero construction going on to create that project. Only talk ( the Liberals were guilty of same)

The credit for the 409 contract does not belong to Ford except in so far as he didn't cancel it.

On Stoney Creek.............first Doug cancelled the new station; before going ahead.

He also nixed the extension of full-day service to Hamilton..............(according to a source).....(as in Mx wanted to begin the service)

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We needn't go over every item.

But suffice to say, I find your take here .........to be a bit off.
 

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