[ARG1]

The local communities supported the 407 extension. Also, it was planned from day one, and the dead-end in Pickering was very problematic.

413 is very different - there are 3 other east-west highways already - and only one to the east. It's not supported by the community. And it doesn't fix a dead-end like problem.

I'm sure extending either extending 427 to Bolton, or 410, would not have the same issue.

"Not supported by the community"?

Random environmentalists on Twitter do not represent the community unfortunately - most of the people living in Caledon and in the area unfortunately do strongly support the highway (notice how most of the municipalities that denounced the highway are nowhere near the highway).

 

[DirectionNorth]

"Not supported by the community"?

Random environmentalists on Twitter do not represent the community unfortunately - most of the people living in Caledon and in the area unfortunately do strongly support the highway (notice how most of the municipalities that denounced the highway are nowhere near the highway).

Like Caledon, Brampton, and Vaughan, who oppose the highway and are nowhere near (that was sarcasm) the highway?

The GTA West will have regional impacts. Just like we take the considerations of all parts of the city when deciding where to build transit, and not just the immediate communities, we do the same with highway projects.

 

[ARG1]

Like Caledon, Brampton, and Vaughan, who oppose the highway and are nowhere near (that was sarcasm) the highway?

The GTA West will have regional impacts. Just like we take the considerations of all parts of the city when deciding where to build transit, and not just the immediate communities, we do the same with highway projects.

Caledon and Brampton oppose the highway? News to me.

As for Vaughan, they're the exception and is the reason why I said "most of the municipalities". However it should also be noted that the vote in Vaughan was split, like 5 oppose vs 4 for, so its nowhere near unanimous.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Caledon and Brampton oppose the highway? News to me.

As for Vaughan, they're the exception and is the reason why I said "most of the municipalities". However it should also be noted that the vote in Vaughan was split, like 5 oppose vs 4 for, so its nowhere near unanimous.

Likely mostly the (Progressive) Conservatives may support Highway 413.

 

[Krypto98]

"Not supported by the community"?

Random environmentalists on Twitter do not represent the community unfortunately - most of the people living in Caledon and in the area unfortunately do strongly support the highway (notice how most of the municipalities that denounced the highway are nowhere near the highway).

I'm in a subdivision near the highway and almost everyone here supports and wants the highway

 

[DirectionNorth]

Caledon and Brampton oppose the highway? News to me.

As for Vaughan, they're the exception and is the reason why I said "most of the municipalities". However it should also be noted that the vote in Vaughan was split, like 5 oppose vs 4 for, so its nowhere near unanimous.

Brampton's pushing for their own plan ... it's worse (if that's possible), but they still oppose the highway in its current state.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...g-fords-fast-tracking-of-new-gta-highway.html
https://thepointer.com/article/2021...ay-despite-efforts-of-brampton-caledon-mayors
https://www.trucknews.com/features/bramptons-way-or-the-gta-west-highway/

Caledon is asking for the federal review of the highway:
https://www.caledon.ca/en/news/caledon-requests-further-study-of-gta-west-corridor.aspx

Do you think this highway will have regional effects? Absolutely.

Will it spend taxpayer money from all of us (not a reason to not build it, but we should be able to ask about the cost/benefit compared to other projects)? Yes.

Do you think that transit projects should only consult the neighborhoods immediately next to it, and discard all other opinions? I don't think you think that.

 

[Undead]

Del Duca would totally attend a ribbon cutting for a the installation of the raised warning tiles at every single station if he was Transport Minister.

of every single tile

 

[nfitz]

"Not supported by the community"?

Random environmentalists on Twitter do not represent the community unfortunately - most of the people living in Caledon and in the area unfortunately do strongly support the highway (notice how most of the municipalities that denounced the highway are nowhere near the highway).

By that I meant municipalities. In particular Mississauga, Vaughan, Halton Hills, Peel, and Brampton ... and no municipality is more served by this than Brampton and Vaughan. Despite that part of Caledon being almost entirely in a rural area, Caledon does support it - but that's about development more than anything else.

I'm not sure why you are trying to imply that there is municipal support in the area, when most municipalities around the highway oppose it.

 

[ShonTron]

Brampton's pushing for their own plan ... it's worse (if that's possible), but they still oppose the highway in its current state.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...g-fords-fast-tracking-of-new-gta-highway.html
https://thepointer.com/article/2021...ay-despite-efforts-of-brampton-caledon-mayors
https://www.trucknews.com/features/bramptons-way-or-the-gta-west-highway/

Caledon is asking for the federal review of the highway:
https://www.caledon.ca/en/news/caledon-requests-further-study-of-gta-west-corridor.aspx

Do you think this highway will have regional effects? Absolutely.

Will it spend taxpayer money from all of us (not a reason to not build it, but we should be able to ask about the cost/benefit compared to other projects)? Yes.

Do you think that transit projects should only consult the neighborhoods immediately next to it, and discard all other opinions? I don't think you think that.

Brampton doesn't want a standard grade-separated highway, and some local politicians are against it altogether. The surface boulevard option is pretty bad, though it is technically a "complete street" -- part of me wants to say "kudos for doing something outside the box" while another part of me wants to scream at whoever dreamed that up.

The "goods movement" corridors like Steeles Avenue -- a regional road -- are in the way of urbanization plans, like at Hurontario and Steeles. Nobody really wants to walk along a narrow sidewalk or sit on a patio next to a seven lane road with an increasing amount truck traffic. There were very few trucks on Steeles west of Kennedy Road until the two Amazon depots and other warehouses moved into the Churchill Meadows area, but with the 407 being as expensive as it is, the truck traffic between the intermodal yards and Amazon et al. use Steeles through residential areas, and the region is okay with that.

Live by the logistics industry, die by the logistics industry.

 

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[Krypto98]

Because VIA 84 is changing schedules on Monday to be about 2 hours later, this allows for the earliest counter peak train to be in Kitchener at 10:28 AM. This might make it possible for a counter-peak train to London arriving at 12:40 PM. The Go Train would meet the VIA 84 at Stratford where there are multiple tracks but currently no extra platform. The only possible places right now to have meets are at Stratford or at Kellys which is west of St. Marys. In the future a meet at Guelph and Georgetown will be possible. At the current moment The only issue i see with this is a potential meet at Georgetown. One way to get around this is have the counter-peak train skip Georgetown and go directly to the main line track.

 

[Urban Sky]

Because VIA 84 is changing schedules on Monday to be about 2 hours later, this allows for the earliest counter peak train to be in Kitchener at 10:28 AM. This might make it possible for a counter-peak train to London arriving at 12:40 PM. The Go Train would meet the VIA 84 at Stratford where there are multiple tracks but currently no extra platform. The only possible places right now to have meets are at Stratford or at Kellys which is west of St. Marys. In the future a meet at Guelph and Georgetown will be possible. At the current moment The only issue i see with this is a potential meet at Georgetown. One way to get around this is have the counter-peak train skip Georgetown and go directly to the main line track.

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First, how do you envision a meet at Stratford, which respects the requirements imposed by Rule 107 of the Canadian Rail Operating Rules and doesn't cause massive delays on either train (or even: both trains)?

107. RESTRICTIONS AT PASSENGER TRAIN STOPS

Unless otherwise directed by special instructions, a movement must operate with extreme care when passing along side a train carrying passengers that is discharging or receiving traffic. It must not pass between such train and the station or platform, unless the movement is properly protected. Passengers shall be allowed to entrain and detrain only after positive protection has been provided against movements approaching on any main track they must cross when moving between the station and the train.

Second, what do you think is the chance of the return trip to actually clear Silver Junction on-time (i.e. at 16:30-ish) rather than delaying the GO train due to depart Georgetown at 16:35, especially in the context of the OTP we've seen with GO and VIA West of Kitchener?

 

[Krypto98]

First, how do you envision a meet at Stratford, which respects the requirements imposed by Rule 107 of the Canadian Rail Operating Rules and doesn't cause massive delays on either train (or even: both trains)?



Second, what do you think is the chance of the return trip to actually clear Silver Junction on-time (i.e. at 16:30-ish) rather than delaying the GO train due to depart Georgetown at 16:35, especially in the context of the OTP we've seen with GO and VIA West of Kitchener?

Probably highly unlikely until there are massive infrastructure improvements. Expecially at Georgetown.

Perhaps it could be possible to time a meet at Kelly's with 84 and then have a return trip after 87 leaves London? This would make a round trip to London.

But given the current infrastructure, its unlikely any of this could happen

 

[reaperexpress]

First, how do you envision a meet at Stratford, which respects the requirements imposed by Rule 107 of the Canadian Rail Operating Rules and doesn't cause massive delays on either train (or even: both trains)?



Second, what do you think is the chance of the return trip to actually clear Silver Junction on-time (i.e. at 16:30-ish) rather than delaying the GO train due to depart Georgetown at 16:35, especially in the context of the OTP we've seen with GO and VIA West of Kitchener?

They literally stated that the lack of second platform at Stratford is a problem with meets there. There's no need to deride what is clearly just a musing about options for future service - not a proposal for a train to start running tomorrow.

What's up with your attitude recently? Is it just because you no longer need to be diplomatic because you no longer work for Via? Or are you getting a lot if stupid comments from other people and then taking out your frustrations on us?

 

[Urban Sky]

They literally stated that the lack of second platform at Stratford is a problem with meets there. There's no need to deride what is clearly just a musing about options for future service - not a proposal for a train to start running tomorrow.

What's up with your attitude recently? Is it just because you no longer need to be diplomatic because you no longer work for Via? Or are you getting a lot if stupid comments from other people and then taking out your frustrations on us?

For the records, the post to which I responded stated: "The only possible places right now to have meets are at Stratford or at Kellys which is west of St. Marys" and "At the current moment The only issue i see with this is a potential meet at Georgetown" (with a proposed work-around suggesting that the tight meet at Georgetown is merely a conflicting-move issue).

I neither thought nor intended to imply that this was a stupid or ridiculous idea, but anyone who has been following the discussions in this thread about GO/VIA rail service West of Kitchener lately or been on any such train in the last few years, could have become aware of how operationally unstable and impractical having a buffer of less than 30 (better: 45) minutes between an eastbound train arriving and a westbound train departing in Georgetown currently is. We are all impatiently waiting for this situation to change in the future, but with the current OTP issues, meets are only realistically possible at very long double-tracked sections which can currently not be found anywhere West of Silver Junction...