[turbanplanner]

And do you know for a fact that there wasn't some major delay along the route that caused this?

TTC line management is bad, sure, but not this bad.

Also, what does this have to do with the Crosstown?

Provided the vehicle is detected early enough, why wouldn't it?

I checked the TTC alerts twitter and saw nothing about the line. I drove the entire route so I'd notice if something seemed really wrong.

 

[nfitz]

TTC line management is bad, sure, but not this bad.

TTC line management has become this bad. It's not rare to look at 506 locations, and see almost no streetcars east of Broadview or west of Ossington. They've improved slightly with all the complaints in recent weeks, 45-minute gaps are still happening. Perhaps they pulled the supervisor(s) from 512.

Though St. Clair is particularly hard to screw up. It seems to get special treatment, and still has service every 5 minutes at peak. Meanwhile service remains very cut on 506 and the Broadview 504 branch, with frequencies at 8 minutes - much lower than pre-Covid.

Was there a particular day and time? 512 operation charts seem much more functional than 506 - though why some of the bunching is allowed I don't know ...

 

[Mind_the_gap]

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I managed to get another picture of these screens. It looks like they are showing two camera footage from 2 different spots above the tracks. The screen looks to be about where the driver could see them while stopped, and they are only on one side, the other screen is at the opposite side of the platform, facing the other way.

Could they be for the driver to make sure no one is behind them or something?

Or is this just a holding screen for the test drivers?

Good to see these. Hopefully this will avoid the pathetic situation Ottawa’s LRT faces - requiring ”whistleblowers”, because of the unreliability of the wireless platform camera connection to the cab monitors. They should just install platform monitors like these there.

Also, has it been confirmed whether passengers will have to pass through faregates while changing between Lines 1 & 2 at the interchange stations? I ask because it could suggest a separate fare arrangement for Line 5.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Also, has it been confirmed whether passengers will have to pass through faregates while changing between Lines 1 & 2 at the interchange stations? I ask because it could suggest a separate fare arrangement for Line 5.

I've been wondering that too because we haven't really gotten much information on how fares will be collected on the surface sections.

 

[11th]

Good to see these. Hopefully this will avoid the pathetic situation Ottawa’s LRT faces - requiring ”whistleblowers”, because of the unreliability of the wireless platform camera connection to the cab monitors. They should just install platform monitors like these there.

Also, has it been confirmed whether passengers will have to pass through faregates while changing between Lines 1 & 2 at the interchange stations? I ask because it could suggest a separate fare arrangement for Line 5.

All platforms at underground stations are located after the fare gates, so I don't see the need to have them between platforms at Kennedy/Eglinton/Cedarvale.

 

[Steve X]

All platforms at underground stations are located after the fare gates, so I don't see the need to have them between platforms at Kennedy/Eglinton/Cedarvale.

It would be a good idea to filter out all the unpaying riders. Especially Kennedy and Finch West. Also a way for ML to gather ridership numbers. It does impede passenger flow but given enough gates installed, this can eliminate the useless fare inspectors. They should do it at Spadina and Union too now that presto is the mainstream payment system. Paper transfers remain the issue and they have yet to figure out what to do with that.

 

[smallspy]

Funny you mention that, I picked up this in my latest video. One commenter stated that they were for a driver to check that no one is crossing between the connected train units based on where the camera locations are?

Enjoy the video!

I suppose that it could be, and to operate in concert with the onboard cameras on the cars.

There will also be bollards located along the platform edge where the cars get coupled together, as a further way of preventing people from that area.

Also, has it been confirmed whether passengers will have to pass through faregates while changing between Lines 1 & 2 at the interchange stations? I ask because it could suggest a separate fare arrangement for Line 5.

I seem to recall from the drawings that there were no fare lines between the existing subway and the Crosstown platforms.

I've been wondering that too because we haven't really gotten much information on how fares will be collected on the surface sections.

POP. There will be fare machines and Presto readers on the platforms.

Dan

 

[Jaye101]

TTC line management has become this bad. It's not rare to look at 506 locations, and see almost no streetcars east of Broadview or west of Ossington. They've improved slightly with all the complaints in recent weeks, 45-minute gaps are still happening. Perhaps they pulled the supervisor(s) from 512.

Though St. Clair is particularly hard to screw up. It seems to get special treatment, and still has service every 5 minutes at peak. Meanwhile service remains very cut on 506 and the Broadview 504 branch, with frequencies at 8 minutes - much lower than pre-Covid.

Was there a particular day and time? 512 operation charts seem much more functional than 506 - though why some of the bunching is allowed I don't know ...

The 512 St Clair currently is completely unreliable. Waiting 15+ mins for a streetcar (absurd) is a regular occurrence. Also seems like the streetcars are driving very slowly maybe TTC is sending novice streetcar drivers to the route as well?.

I think you may be right about supervisors being pulled because it's giving echoes of St Clair post ROW, pre-Supervision.

The 506 shouldn't be compared to the 512. After working on College for some years I've come to the conclusion that nothing you can do, save for strict light priority, ROW or grade separation can make this line reliable. It's a novelty at best.

 

[nfitz]

The 512 St Clair currently is completely unreliable. Waiting 15+ mins for a streetcar (absurd) is a regular occurrence. Also seems like the streetcars are driving very slowly maybe TTC is sending novice streetcar drivers to the route as well?.

I'd kill for having the reliability as good as always a streetcar within 15 minutes these days.

I do very much think it's a lack of supervisors issue. It would be interesting to see the staffing levels over the last decade or so.

The 506 shouldn't be compared to the 512. After working on College for some years I've come to the conclusion that nothing you can do, save for strict light priority, ROW or grade separation can make this line reliable. It's a novelty at best.

506 service was beautiful after they actually started using realistic timetables around 2015/16 or so. It's never going to be perfect, but I've been living next to it for about 20 years, and I've NEVER seen service this unreliable.

Here's the last 3 hours of each. And yet again, there's a 40-minute gap just before 11 AM with streetcars arriving at High Park. At least for once they seem to be trying to fix it with short-turns, rather than letting the gaps continue for many hours. Compare to 512

Looks like another 506 gap forming now in the east ... that could be improved simply by calling the car behind, and telling them to slow down and sit for 5 minutes.

506


512

 

[Tunafish13]

Speaking of scheduling, do we know if the crosstown will run 24hrs like the streetcars downtown? Or will it be like the subways where it is mostly 5am-1am with night buses during the off hours?

 

[TDE]

Speaking of scheduling, do we know if the crosstown will run 24hrs like the streetcars downtown? Or will it be like the subways where it is mostly 5am-1am with night buses during the off hours?

~18 hours, similar to the other four rapid transit lines. The Testing and Commissioning phase was/is also to have operators simulate service and their timetables.

IIRC, overnight service was last recommended (from what I read somewhere) to be operated by an modified 334 Eglinton Blue Night, similar to the 300. Both ideally, will run cross through Yonge, but will however, have overlapping branches over the current LRT segment (whereas the 300 does, between, West Mall and Warden, along Bloor/Danforth). So, if you wanted to go from say, East Mall and Eglinton, and you work in the Finchdene area or Centenary, you'd have to transfer somewhere between Mount Dennis and Kennedy.

334A from Airport to Kennedy
33B Mount Dennis to Finchdene.

I have not heard of the changes becoming gospel yet.

 

[TorontoBun]

I think the blue night proposal included running the services on Eglinton at 15-20 minute headways, which brings the night counterpart to be more like the 300 or 320, rather than maintain existing service level.

The question remains is if it’s actually implemented or if they (likely) just keep running every 30 minutes.

 

[Steve X]

I think the blue night proposal included running the services on Eglinton at 15-20 minute headways, which brings the night counterpart to be more like the 300 or 320, rather than maintain existing service level.

The question remains is if it’s actually implemented or if they (likely) just keep running every 30 minutes.

The 334A/334B routing structure is approved with each running every 30 min combing to 15 min average between the overlapping route. Unless there is a budget issue where the current routing is kept, I don't see why it won't happen. Additional service might be required right after the last train left or before the morning train service begins. There isn't a lot of pubs on Eglinton unlike Bloor so it won't be as frequent as the 300. Sometimes people question why doesn't the subway wait for last call but we know that the current maintenance window is only 90-120min and can't be shorten further.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

POP. There will be fare machines and Presto readers on the platforms.

so basicity anyone can get on without paying a fee which is exactly why I could se the TTC wanting fare gates at their stations.

 

[Amare]

so basicity anyone can get on without paying a fee which is exactly why I could se the TTC wanting fare gates at their stations.

It's not like the TTC is doing much fare inspecting these days anyways, so why would they care.

There will be fare gates at station level.