[generalcanada]

Said it somewhere before, but we could try the Japanese method of making people sit through a "refresher" video whenever it's time to renew their licence.

naw we need to go all the way, forced driver tests every 5 years. watch peoples skills in driving immediately improve

 

[T3G]

naw we need to go all the way, forced driver tests every 5 years. watch peoples skills in driving immediately improve

All the regulations in the world will not help you if the regulations are not followed.

A friend of mine told me that when she was doing some road test or other, after failing at some manoeuvre (I can't remember what), the driving instructor told her that he probably should've failed her, but he was going to go ahead and pass her. As long as you have these benevolent goofballs that look the other way, then having all the strict rules in the world isn't going to make things any better. And the situation looks it: it is patently clear to anyone who has had the misfortune of seeing a street in Ontario that the only de facto requirement to get a driver's license in this province is to have a pulse.

Perhaps, if the risk of being held legally liable for stuff your driving students do was held over your head, some of these instructors might actually behave with integrity...

 

[generalcanada]

All the regulations in the world will not help you if the regulations are not followed.

A friend of mine told me that when she was doing some road test or other, after failing at some manoeuvre (I can't remember what), the driving instructor told her that he probably should've failed her, but he was going to go ahead and pass her. As long as you have these benevolent goofballs that look the other way, then having all the strict rules in the world isn't going to make things any better. And the situation looks it: it is patently clear to anyone who has had the misfortune of seeing a street in Ontario that the only de facto requirement to get a driver's license in this province is to have a pulse.

Perhaps, if the risk of being held legally liable for stuff your driving students do was held over your head, some of these instructors might actually behave with integrity...

As far as I know blowing a stop sign or ignoring the rules are automatic fails. But they are supposed to pass you at 80% or so.

When I did my tests back in 2017 I actually failed for not "keeping with the speed of traffic" which was 75kph on a main road.
It took me 2 retries to pass my G test. Its harder than you think.

 

[T3G]

As far as I know blowing a stop sign or ignoring the rules are automatic fails. But they are supposed to pass you at 80% or so.

When I did my tests back in 2017 I actually failed for not "keeping with the speed of traffic" which was 75kph on a main road.
It took me 2 retries to pass my G test. Its harder than you think.

Isn't it more likely that there are different instructors with different levels of severity? I'm sure they aren't all horrid at their jobs, but if it was harder than I think to get a license, then seeing a bad driver would be like winning a lottery ticket, instead of the present situation where seeing a good driver is like winning a lottery ticket (and there certainly wouldn't be an epidemic of trucks driving around with their buckets up...)

As it stands, a good 80% of people on the roads have no business riding a bicycle, never mind driving a car.

 

[cplchanb]

As far as I know blowing a stop sign or ignoring the rules are automatic fails. But they are supposed to pass you at 80% or so.

When I did my tests back in 2017 I actually failed for not "keeping with the speed of traffic" which was 75kph on a main road.
It took me 2 retries to pass my G test. Its harder than you think.

yea can sympathise... the aurora test centre uses Wellington rd, which is 50kph but everyone drives at 70 there. its definitely tricky dealing with everyone zooming beside you.

 

[cplchanb]

As far as I know blowing a stop sign or ignoring the rules are automatic fails. But they are supposed to pass you at 80% or so.

When I did my tests back in 2017 I actually failed for not "keeping with the speed of traffic" which was 75kph on a main road.
It took me 2 retries to pass my G test. Its harder than you think.

not to mention in 2020/2021 during the height of covid they were under intense pressure with the insane backlog of test appts. i can guarantee that they dropped their testing standards to deal with the backlog.

 

[goreckm]

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The time for discussing how the line should have been built is 14 years gone. It's a waste of time to talk about. The only thing to talk about now is what steps can be taken to mitigate the shortcomings of the line in its present form.

The first question we should be asking ourselves is why is the line nearly flush with the roadway to begin with? Putting up a raised concrete or steel divider can't prevent access to the trackway in all circumstances, but could have prevented this particular incident.

Two issues. One is emergency vehicles. And the other, you'll have have the UT crowd yelling that it ruins the streetscape. No winning here, unfortunately.

 

[goreckm]

As far as I know blowing a stop sign or ignoring the rules are automatic fails. But they are supposed to pass you at 80% or so.

When I did my tests back in 2017 I actually failed for not "keeping with the speed of traffic" which was 75kph on a main road.
It took me 2 retries to pass my G test. Its harder than you think.

The tests in Canada are a joke. Sure, you have to deal with the occasional conundrum of keeping up with traffic vs breaking the speed limit, but other countries have much more intense tests, including having to prove that you can maneuver your car through an obstacle course, which most drivers here would fail at. Here, it's basically drive to the highway, get on the highway, get off the highway, parallel park, you're done.

 

[cplchanb]

The tests in Canada are a joke. Sure, you have to deal with the occasional conundrum of keeping up with traffic vs breaking the speed limit, but other countries have much more intense tests, including having to prove that you can maneuver your car through an obstacle course, which most drivers here would fail at. Here, it's basically drive to the highway, get on the highway, get off the highway, parallel park, you're done.

Yup and they also have to pass night driving too on roads and highways. I'll bet a huge number would fail here

 

[generalcanada]

The tests in Canada are a joke. Sure, you have to deal with the occasional conundrum of keeping up with traffic vs breaking the speed limit, but other countries have much more intense tests, including having to prove that you can maneuver your car through an obstacle course, which most drivers here would fail at. Here, it's basically drive to the highway, get on the highway, get off the highway, parallel park, you're done.

Even doing that is enough to be considered a good driver. The whole obstacle course thing they do on that Canadas worst driver is just for show really. I mean when you have 15 collisions you have other problems than not knowing how to go around pylons.

When youre doing highway driving, changing lanes you kind of are doing an obstacle course.

 

[T3G]

Two issues. One is emergency vehicles. And the other, you'll have have the UT crowd yelling that it ruins the streetscape. No winning here, unfortunately.

Why would an emergency vehicle feel the need to find itself in this trackway?

 

[goreckm]

Why would an emergency vehicle feel the need to find itself in this trackway?

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Hmm, I thought most of the track was going to be level like the streetcar tracks. In that case, I guess the only opposition you'll get is for the look, but I agree, barrier needs to be there (even half-height steel fence would be a great help, would also keep most jaywalkers off)

 

[Bojaxs]

I'm going to assume the only reason the driver drove onto the tracks is because they thought they could drive on them similar to the streetcar tracks.

 

[Transportfan]

Hmm, I thought most of the track was going to be level like the streetcar tracks. In that case, I guess the only opposition you'll get is for the look, but I agree, barrier needs to be there (even half-height steel fence would be a great help, would also keep most jaywalkers off)

Now now...every UT'er knows the concept of "jaywalking" was a invention of the automotive industry!

 

[zang]

Said it somewhere before, but we could try the Japanese method of making people sit through a "refresher" video whenever it's time to renew their licence.

Forklift drivers have to renew their certification every three years, with several hours of mandatory training and a test.

Cars are the largest killer outside of health conditions, and their license is renewed almost indefinitely based on a single test taken when most drivers were still children.