reaperexpress
Senior Member
It was before. So it would be a second or two slower per stop nowadays.
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Amare
Senior Member
Glad to see the world-class pathetically slow TTC streetcar speeds are being picked up by the media.
But of course the TTC is taking no responsibility for it and are blaming it on increased road congestion, construction, and the typical BS they like to blame it on. This is instead of you know, actually addressing the core of the issue with their idiotic SOPs.
CTV ran a story on it last night, and The Star put this out:
www.thestar.com
But of course the TTC is taking no responsibility for it and are blaming it on increased road congestion, construction, and the typical BS they like to blame it on. This is instead of you know, actually addressing the core of the issue with their idiotic SOPs.
CTV ran a story on it last night, and The Star put this out:
Matt Elliott: Toronto’s streetcars are some of the slowest in the world. Here’s how the city could speed them up
The TTC likes to blame the sluggish pace of streetcars on things beyond its control, but the data tells a different story.
www.thestar.com
reaperexpress
Senior Member
It's pretty funny to blame congestion considering the main focus has been on the Spadina streetcar, which is almost completely separate from traffic.Glad to see the world-class pathetically slow TTC streetcar speeds are being picked up by the media.
But of course the TTC is taking no responsibility for it and are blaming it on increased road congestion, construction, and the typical BS they like to blame it on. This is instead of you know, actually addressing the core of the issue with their idiotic SOPs.
CTV ran a story on it last night, and The Star put this out:
Matt Elliott: Toronto’s streetcars are some of the slowest in the world. Here’s how the city could speed them up
The TTC likes to blame the sluggish pace of streetcars on things beyond its control, but the data tells a different story.
Something is seriously wrong when a transit line with a dedicated ROW is averaging only 10 km/h
DSCToronto
Superstar
Yes, Spadina has a separated streetcar ROW but the City has failed to apply transit priority at the many traffic lights!
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
One current Flexity streetcar is equal in length to two PCC streetcars in a train. The Flexity uses ONE pantograph, while the PCC train used TWO trolleys (but without air conditioning). In this video notice the Bloor PCC train travelling at high speed over track switches.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
They have active Transit Signal Priority at half of the signals along Spadina: Sussex, Harbord, Willcocks, Russel, Nassau, St Andrew, Sullivan, Wellington and Lakeshore.
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DSCToronto
Superstar
Do streetcars ALWAYS get priority over turning vehicles even where there is supposedly 'transit priority' and why is it not on ALL signals?
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The automobile disciples at city hall and Queen's Park sabotage any real "transit priority" because the single-occupant SUV is king. Kneel before your automobile gods, you heathen transit users.
Even the King Street Transit Priority Corridor was sabotaged by the automobile disciples.
TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
Flurf Design put out a clip this morning explaining why Toronto's streetcars are the slowest on Earth and how that can be fixed.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
No, they only get priority over turning phases at Lakeshore. That's one of the numerous issues with the signal priority system that we need to fix.
I don't know.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Someone who claimed to work for Transportation Service once said that letting streetcars go first would mess up traffic and create more congestion for routes that cross the streetcar route with priority.
I’m not an expert, so I can’t say either way how this can be fixed or not. But if this is what people who work for the City think, I guess we can see why we have what we have.
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Rainforest
Senior Member
They should consider adding a short (20 sec) streetcar-only phase before the general left-turn phase. So the streetcar has a chance to pass the intersection either before the left-turns (its own phase), or after the left-turns (with the general through phase).
The full traffic-lights cycle at a major intersection is in the range of 120-180 seconds, I don't think adding 20 seconds will have that much impact on other traffic.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yes that is called Phase Insertion and that's what they do at Spadina and Lakeshore. In that case the default order is for left turns to come after the north-south phases so the inserted phase is actually after the left turn.
In my opinion they should do that at all minor intersections along streetcar ROWs. At major intersections it's a tougher call because inserted phases reduce the intersection capacity. It may be better to eliminate left turn phases altogether, or use Phase Rotation to change the order of phases based on streetcars.
The typical cycle lengths in Toronto are about 70 to 120 s, with a few exceptions such as Lake Shore Boulevard. See the City of Toronto signal operations policy. Last time I checked Spadina was running 90 off peak, 100 peak.
Amare
Senior Member
The problem is; even if they gave streetcars advanced priority, it might not even be enough time for one to clear an intersection with the TTC's archaic operating rules which cause streetcars to crawl through certain intersections.
It would work at intersections where there is no TTC special trackwork; but in places where there is special trackwork, streetcars can barely clear an intersection in less than 20 seconds.
The fact that the TTC continues to fail to see the problem with this is shamefully disgusting.
It would work at intersections where there is no TTC special trackwork; but in places where there is special trackwork, streetcars can barely clear an intersection in less than 20 seconds.
The fact that the TTC continues to fail to see the problem with this is shamefully disgusting.
JasonParis
Moderator
This was done really well. I even made my parents watch it.