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Can Olivia drive a bulldozer and tear up the runway? Doug did mention the downtown Chicago airport today.

He probably forgot about Meigs Field. March 30, 2003.

Maybe this is just an election issue to get Olivia out and the other Ford in. John Tory probably kept others out until now.

It doesn’t really matter to me what happens with the Mayor or the airport or the Bully (Doug or Donald)
 
mburrrrr said:
Would the safety zone be extend even further if they get jets?..
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We don't really know yet how much of an expansion this move to allow "jets" would involve. It depends on which jets it would be.

Some seem to be only looking at what was described about 12-14 years ago by Porter when they still owned the terminal, and were proposing extending the runway from about 4000 ft to 5000, and using Bombardier CS100 (now Airbus A220-100) planes. They sold the terminal, and instead bought Embraer E195-E2 planes, so that proposal would now be mostly useless to any Canadian airline. The Porter jets would only be able to take off from there without a full load of fuel.

To be of any real use for the present Porter jets and Air Canada A220-300 planes would apparently require a minimum runway length of something like 6500 ft (+ required safety zones), or longer for anything larger.
It will be interesting to hear from airlines, Canadian or others, what they would want.

For a comparison, the 7000 ft runways at LaGuardia are considered to be somewhat short by modern standards, but can be used by most narrow-body (single-aisle) planes.
mburrrrr said:
... Doug did mention the downtown Chicago airport today...
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I think he mentioned Chicago having two airports, which would be O'Hare and Midway (with about 6500 ft being the length of its longer runways) .
 
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The turbo-props aren't exactly quiet, compared to jets.

That said, the province should really be examining other options for spending billions (though it's likely Ford will say it's not the province's money). Or if they have, then actuall present them. I.e., would it be more beneficial to spend on different transportation options, or not at all. But given that they're going all-in on a new Science Centre, and Convention Centre, never mind whatever is being spent on Ontario Place itself, Dougie probably thinks it's a no-brainer (which is appropriate for him)
 
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rdaner said:
Surprise! This will keep happening until a longterm land-use plan is developed that provides for a larger facility further away from the waterfront. Put WT and CreateTO in charge!
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WT who still has no concrete plan for an LRT to the lower port lands? WT who announced a pedestrian bridge to get to the new park in 2026 and suddenly just pushed it to 2028 while announcing the bridge will be much simpler and smaller? LOL
 
innsertnamehere said:
There is billions in infrastructure already invested at Billy Bishop. Removing it for a park or something would be a large GDP hit to the city and would burn billions of stranded assets.

A small runway extension opens up extra capacity and improves productivity. This province needs infrastructure as well as parks - and like it or not, with Buttonville and Downsview closed, the City is rather limited on airport options now.. it can't afford to be down to one airport for the entire city.

Even if this opens Billy Bishop to private jets, that frees up runway slots at Pearson and better balances the airport capacity in the city. And even then, the limited slots here are also an artificial construct.. there is no reason the expansion can also result in more slots added.
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What about the billions invested in making the Portlands usable? All that wonderful parkland and playgrounds and natural space with jets screaming overhead every few minutes....
 
Ok, another question. If they are only proposing an extension to one of the runways, what happens in a cross-wind? All flights requiring the longer runway are cancelled? Diversions to Pearson?
 
Just want to clear up one thing once and for all regarding the noise issue.

The A220 (the jet that would land at the island) is QUIETER than the Q400 (the prop plane that is currently there.)

It's just a fact.

You can be totally against expanding the airport (I probably am) but you can't claim that the jet that will land there will be noisier than the prop planes that are there now, because it's just not true.
 
afransen said:
What about the billions invested in making the Portlands usable? All that wonderful parkland and playgrounds and natural space with jets screaming overhead every few minutes....
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Oh no, the reality of living in the country's largest city and economic centre.
 
picard102 said:
Oh no, the reality of living in the country's largest city and economic centre.
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YTZ isn't super common by global standards. Cities generally don't have airports right next to downtown. It's kind of like excusing a coal power station 2km upwind of downtown as "oh well, cities need power", even if that power station only supplies 5% of the demand for the city.

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from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xc2qgl/120_major_airports_by_distance_to_their_citys
 
How accurate is this NoJetsTO diagram of the runway lengthening needed for jets? If this is accurate I can’t imagine anyone looking at this and thinking this is a rational idea.
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bobbob911 said:
How accurate is this NoJetsTO diagram of the runway lengthening needed for jets? If this is accurate I can’t imagine anyone looking at this and thinking this is a rational idea.
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It appears that the green area is the runway extension, while the grey areas are marine traffic exclusion zones.

I'm curious how this will impact the ferry trip length to Hanlan's Point. It currently takes 15 minutes.
 
christiesplits said:
It appears that the green area is the runway extension, while the grey areas are marine traffic exclusion zones.

I'm curious how this will impact the ferry trip length to Hanlan's Point. It currently takes 15 minutes.
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No I don’t think that’s true. The green area is the runway extension required by updated safety regs just for turboprops. The dark gray is the extension for jets. The light grey is the MEZ for jets.
 
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