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Even with no elections looming, in doing so the provincial government would have to overcome many logistic difficulties, without much political capital earned. Normally, the city's departments handle associated tasks such as property acquisitions, utility relocations, landscaping, rezoning etc. If the province decided to go alone, it would have to create its own departments for those tasks, or direct the city's departments ... too tedious.

The province would not do any of this. The province would simply make it law that the city must perform the tasks.

Think of the OMB and how they can and regularly do force the city to grant permits, easements, and perform tasks similar to what you outlined above.

If the province added a single line to the City of Toronto Act making it law that the city must obey Metrolinx in the same way that they must obey the OMB, it becomes trivial for Metrolinx to delegate all of that work down.

This isn't any different than pushing down the requirement to add accessibility to all subway stations with a set timeline and significantly easier than when amalgamation was pushed through.
 
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The province would not do any of this. The province would simply make it law that the city must perform the tasks.

Think of the OMB and how they can and regularly do force the city to grant permits, easements, and perform tasks similar to what you outlined above.

If the province added a single line to the City of Toronto Act making it law that the city must obey Metrolinx in the same way that they must obey the OMB, it becomes trivial for Metrolinx to delegate all of that work down.

This isn't any different than pushing down the requirement to add accessibility to all subway stations with a set timeline and significantly easier than when amalgamation was pushed through.

I would say this is totally different than that. To have the Province take over control of Eglinton, all the buried and overhead services, buildings, maintenance, etc., then construct and operate a transit line on a City Street is very different than demanding the City install elevators and purchase low floor buses for the transit system. There is no way any provincial government would try to pull that off. The original plan was to provide the City the money to build the lines, let the TTC build and operate the lines and the Province would retain ownership. They were never to own the entire street and the mess that surrounds owning it. Then if this was a provincial line, would you have fare integration? Would the TTC allow for a direct connection to their lines?

Too many issues and road blocks to say any of this could happen if the City of Toronto didn't want it to (as stupid as Ford is to not want this line built, at least not the portion from Jane to Leslie)
 
Queen’s Park and city have a $12.4B TTC deal

Robert Benzie
Queen's Park Bureau Chief
Tess Kalinowski Transportation Reporter
The Better Way will get a lot bigger under a new $12.4 billion plan to extend the Sheppard subway line in both directions and build a new Eglinton light rail line from Jane St. to Kennedy station, the Star has learned.

Premier Dalton McGuinty is to announce Thursday that the province is giving Toronto $8.2 billion to pay for the TTC’s new 20-km Eglinton Crosstown Metro. It would run underground all the way from Black Creek to Scarborough Centre and continue above ground along the existing Scarborough Rapid Transit route, which would be converted to the same LRT technology.

But it will be up to Mayor Rob Ford and city council to determine how to finance the $4.2 billion it will cost for the Sheppard subway extensions he wants to build west to Downsview station and east to Scarborough Centre.

Questions remain about whether it is feasible to raise that much money using development charges and tax increment financing to boost the Toronto Transit Commission.

“There are only four ways to do it: existing revenue tools, like property taxes; a private-public partnership; increased federal funding; or, down the road, some kind of new funding arrangement with the province,†one source confided.

The provincial funding had previously been earmarked for Transit City, which was a plan for more extensive light rail on Eglinton, Sheppard, Finch and the Scarborough RT.

But Ford declared that deal dead as soon as he took office last October, vowing there would be no more tracks down the middle of Toronto’s streets like the St. Clair Ave. line.

As a result of the mayor’s objections, the proposed Finch line from the upcoming Finch West station to Humber College has been scrapped.

While Transportation Minister Kathleen Wynne was tight-lipped Wednesday, she confirmed a deal was “close.â€

“There’s no more money, but on the Eglinton line we want to get going,†said Wynne, mindful that the Liberals hold 19 of Toronto’s 23 seats and face re-election on Oct. 6.

“It’s been a back and forth conversation for a number of weeks,†she said of the weeks of ongoing negotiations between Queen’s Park and city hall.

“The whole point of this ... has been to find the common ground, to find a way to preserve our principles and to allow the city to move forward on what it wants to do.â€

Construction will start this year, with completion set for 2020.

Ford’s dream of an extended Sheppard subway will be the city’s $4.2 billion responsibility alone — in the west, it will run 5.45 km from Downsview station to Yonge; in the east, it will go from Don Mills to Scarborough Centre. It should be finished in 2019.

The plan would take traffic off the Bloor-Danforth line, according to one provincial source. Studies show many people would switch to Eglinton to travel to the Yonge and Eglinton area.

Under former mayor David Miller’s administration, Metrolinx was prepared to fund about 56 km of light rail on separate lanes running down the middle of the road by about the end of the decade.

The idea was to enhance the commutes of residents living in some of Toronto’s priority neighbourhoods such as Jane and Finch, where transit access and social services are scarce.

Light rail advocates argue that such lines encourage mid-rise development that leads to livelier, pedestrian friendly streetscapes.

Ford — and those who voted for him — disagreed, saying construction snarled traffic and removed precious lane space from busy city streets.

In a major concession, meanwhile, the TTC will abandon its “open payment†smartcard and work with Metrolinx to implement the Presto fare card already in use.

“That’s a big win,†said one provincial insider, recalling the feud between Queen’s Park and the previous TTC administration over Presto.
 
Did you catch the name in there? Eglinton Crosstown Metro

As opposed to LRT or RT.

I wonder if it still includes the long-awaited for extension from McCowan to Sheppard ... which is really a pittance compared to the $8-billion budget.
 
Even though the Eglinton line isn't technically a subway, would it show up on the subway maps like the Scarborough RT does?
 
Even though the Eglinton line isn't technically a subway, would it show up on the subway maps like the Scarborough RT does?
I don't see why it wouldn't. The Scarborough RT isn't technically a subway either. Though we've got a decade to worry about this!
 
Did you catch the name in there? Eglinton Crosstown Metro

As opposed to LRT or RT.

I wonder if it still includes the long-awaited for extension from McCowan to Sheppard ... which is really a pittance compared to the $8-billion budget.

I would hope that it would. From what I can tell, at least for the SLRT part, they haven't changed much from what was proposed in TC.
 
Did you catch the name in there? Eglinton Crosstown Metro

As opposed to LRT or RT.

I wonder if it still includes the long-awaited for extension from McCowan to Sheppard ... which is really a pittance compared to the $8-billion budget.
last time I heard, it went to Sheppard and STC- McCowan portion gets demolished, and that is with LRT technology, HRT technology only goes to STC
 
If the stop spacing is subway-like I see no reason not to include this line I don't agree with on the subway maps.
 
If the stop spacing is subway-like I see no reason not to include this line I don't agree with on the subway maps.

It's essentially a subway. The Eglinton Subway. If the Sheppard line funding gets in place to be built by 2019, this may be the most subway construction going on in a decade in Toronto history.
 
If the stop spacing is subway-like I see no reason not to include this line I don't agree with on the subway maps.

I think operating environment determines whether it should show up on the subway map, not stop spacing. If it's in a tunnel, or grade-separated (which usually means wider that 400m stop spacing), then it should be on the subway map.

A great example of this is Boston's map. The tunnelled portions of the Green Line have every station labelled, but the at-grade portions further out only label major stops and the rest are just dots. If they had followed through with Transit City, I would imagine it would have looked something like that.
 
Holy crap. As I sit here slurping my pho noodle soup at Warden and Eglinton...

If the Eglinton X-town construction really does get underway this year, then Ford's political street cred will jump a few notches.

I'm glad to see Eglinton getting priority over Sheppard by the way.
 
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I can only hope that this so called plan will go before city council, so there will still be at least one last chance to kill plans for the Sheppard subway extension that will never happen anyways.

And you gotta wonder why the mayor who is always ranting and raving about respect for taxpayers thinks it is worth spending an extra two billion to bury all of the Eglinton line while leaving sheppard and finch as bus routes, does this buffoon not realize that the city will have to keep on buying buses to operate those lines?

The anticipated speed and ridership of the eastern section of the Eglinton LRT simply does not justify the extra cost to bury it, unless ford thinks that saving ~15km of HOV lanes (not regular lanes) is worth the extra cost
 
I can only hope that this so called plan will go before city council, so there will still be at least one last chance to kill plans for the Sheppard subway extension that will never happen anyways.

And you gotta wonder why the mayor who is always ranting and raving about respect for taxpayers thinks it is worth spending an extra two billion to bury all of the Eglinton line while leaving sheppard and finch as bus routes, does this buffoon not realize that the city will have to keep on buying buses to operate those lines?

The anticipated speed and ridership of the eastern section of the Eglinton LRT simply does not justify the extra cost to bury it, unless ford thinks that saving ~15km of HOV lanes (not regular lanes) is worth the extra cost

I would have preferred grade-separating the western portion and running at or above grade to the Airport rather than going east and connecting to the SRT.
 

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