[TheTigerMaster]

I'm exceedingly disappointed that they are dropping through-routing of Eglinton and the SRT.

As Steve Munroe said:

And lower in the comments:

As for whether it will ever be an option in the future?

A big giant question.

Frankly, through routing of both the SRT and the Scarborough-Malvern line with the Eglinton line seems to be incredibly logical, and a relatively simple 3 track station layout would work. However, I'm sure that this would be unacceptable, and they will build a facility that locks in the existing operation.

What will Metrolinx/TTC be doing with the SRT now that it wont be replaced with the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown LRT? Dosen't the SRT still need to be upgraded to LRT and don't the stations still need to be rebuilt by 2015.

 

[ssiguy2]

I'll never understand why anyone would even consider building this line without total grade separation.
This already is the most expensive LRT line on the planet and most of it is already grade separated. For the sake of that small section from DM to Kennedy, the line will provide much lower ridership capacity. lower frequency capacity, a much slower trip along that stretch, and greatly inhibit the reliability of the line.

A rapid transit line is only as reliable as it's weakest link and if there is even a fender bender anytine along the at grade route the entire line comes to a screetching halt.

I think Ford is a dolt but I do agree that the entire line should be grade separated thru elevation along the DM to Kennedy section. This area is just commercial/industrial so it's not like it can ruin the area. It should naturally be elevated and LRT is the worst, both in term of capacity and cost, of the 4 available technologies. Even if you like the idea of LRT technology I still don't see how anyone can justify not making the line totally grade separated. The TTC and the City are always bitching about a lack of operational funds yet want to build the Eglinton line at grade. That small section means that the line cannot be automated which is a huge savings in operational costs. Vancouver' SkyTrain system cost {in 2009} just 87 cents per rider in operational costs, the SkyTrain system makes Translink a small fortune in it's operational budget.

Considering the massive amount of money going into this line, not making it grade separated and hence automated is extremely short sighted.

 

[Markster]

What will Metrolinx/TTC be doing with the SRT now that it wont be replaced with the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown LRT? Dosen't the SRT still need to be upgraded to LRT and don't the stations still need to be rebuilt by 2015.

The SRT will be rebuilt to use the LRT vehicles. They will all turn around at Kennedy Station.
Eglinton Crosstown will be built for LRT vehicles. They will all turn around at Kennedy Station.

 

[nfitz]

You honestly think GO/TTC fare integration is anywhere on the horizon? I hope you're right, but highly, highly doubt it.

I do indeed. I'm sure we'll have it within 10-15 years.

 

[Dan416]

I do indeed. I'm sure we'll have it within 10-15 years.

Considering how pessimistic you usually are about transit I find your optimism on this front surprising.

 

[M II A II R II K]

Doesn't it go in the middle of the street from Laird though, and not Don Mills.

 

[GenerationW]

Considering how pessimistic you usually are about transit I find your optimism on this front surprising.

I'll give you pessimism: Barring a major power-play by the Province, we won't see TTC fare integration in our lifetimes.

 

[JWBF]

Doesn't it go in the middle of the street from Laird though, and not Don Mills.

At grade from Brentcliffe Road the last I read.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

At grade from Brentcliffe Road the last I read.

Going east, it goes underground west of Don Mills, then back up again to the surface east of Don Mills.

 

[ssiguy2]

The SRT will be rebuilt to use the LRT vehicles. They will all turn around at Kennedy Station.
Eglinton Crosstown will be built for LRT vehicles. They will all turn around at Kennedy Station.

Since when?
I thought the whole point of transferring the SRT to LRT was so Eglinton and the SRT would become one complete continous line and avoid an uneeded transfer?

 

[datamouse]

Since when?
I thought the whole point of transferring the SRT to LRT was so Eglinton and the SRT would become one complete continous line and avoid an uneeded transfer?

A week or so this news broke.

 

[M II A II R II K]

Well at least the map will look more extensive than it actually is with more colours on it!

 

[gweed123]

Since when?
I thought the whole point of transferring the SRT to LRT was so Eglinton and the SRT would become one complete continous line and avoid an uneeded transfer?

Yup, splitting them up is the height of stupidity.

And that's saying a lot, because the SELRT going ahead is also pretty damn stupid.

 

[BurlOak]

Yup, splitting them up is the height of stupidity.

And that's saying a lot, because the SELRT going ahead is also pretty damn stupid.

Is it really that dumb. If the Kennedy to Don Mills stretch is in the median, it cannot have the same level of service as the SRT – I assume they were thinking of having every second train turn back at Kennedy and every second train continue on Eglinton. If this were done, there would be minimal capacity available for boardings between Kennedy and Don Mills since many from the SRT would stay on the train. The plan relies on the SRT passengers transferring onto B-D subway to free up space for the boardings between Kennedy and Don Mills.

Either build a grade separated line between Kennedy and Don Mills (actually to Yonge or even all the way to Jane and beyond) and run the SRT through, or turn all the trains back at Kennedy and force a transfer for everyone. I do wonder if it is worth spending all the money on improving (but keeping) the transfer with an underground station.

 

[gweed123]

Is it really that dumb. If the Kennedy to Don Mills stretch is in the median, it cannot have the same level of service as the SRT – I assume they were thinking of having every second train turn back at Kennedy and every second train continue on Eglinton. If this were done, there would be minimal capacity available for boardings between Kennedy and Don Mills since many from the SRT would stay on the train. The plan relies on the SRT passengers transferring onto B-D subway to free up space for the boardings between Kennedy and Don Mills.

Either build a grade separated line between Kennedy and Don Mills (actually to Yonge or even all the way to Jane and beyond) and run the SRT through, or turn all the trains back at Kennedy and force a transfer for everyone. I do wonder if it is worth spending all the money on improving (but keeping) the transfer with an underground station.

I think that even without the grade-separation on the eastern segment that running every train through would be ok. It may not be as fast as if it was ducking under intersections, but I think 1 train every 4-5 mins is still ok.

I think for people that they'll try out both routes and take whichever one they feel more comfortable with.

If it ends up being overloaded, turn every 3rd train back at Kennedy, but don't label them as separate lines. In the AM peak, none of the Eglinton trains should be short-turning at Kennedy, that's for sure.