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Just to be clear I don't think the Eglinton line will be a disaster. But the lack of foresight to have Don Mills and Leslie underground will hamper the line's potential.
 
Please forgive me for this possibly obvious question, but will Don Mills station be underground? The crosstown website says it'll be at surface level, yet the drawings show it as underground. I'm confused about this station. Thanks!
 
Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
It's now very clear where the stations are and where the stops are. I still think they should have ended the tunnel at Don Mills. It seems a more natural endpoint for the tunnelled portion.
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Where the tunnel ends has absolutely no effect on operations. What does affect operations are traffic lights which do not have absolute transit priority. Since Leslie is a T intersection, placing the ROW on the south side of the street would make segment between Don Mills and Brentcliffe to be faster than a tunnel (since there is less air resistance above ground), not to mention orders of magnitude cheaper. They definitely made the right choice to have an at-grade ROW between the east portal of the main tunnel and the west portal of Don Mills (underground) station.

Tunnels are not the only form of grade separation, which is what the public seems to be forgetting. At-grade transit can still be grade separated, or it can alternatively operate just as well, with a few grade-crossings with priority.
 
reaperexpress said:
Where the tunnel ends has absolutely no effect on operations. What does affect operations are traffic lights which do not have absolute transit priority. Since Leslie is a T intersection, placing the ROW on the south side of the street would make segment between Don Mills and Brentcliffe to be faster than a tunnel (since there is less air resistance above ground), not to mention orders of magnitude cheaper. They definitely made the right choice to have an at-grade ROW between the east portal of the main tunnel and the west portal of Don Mills (underground) station.

Tunnels are not the only form of grade separation, which is what the public seems to be forgetting. At-grade transit can still be grade separated, or it can alternatively operate just as well, with a few grade-crossings with priority.
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If Metrolinx doesn't change the design to put the light rail on the south side, or build a grade separated interchange (like Bayview/Lawrence?) with the light rail in the middle, then the only remaining option is to ban left turns at this intersection. I don't think this would be a popular choice at all.
 
I sure as hell hope they stick it on the south side, but the original EA had it in the middle of the street. Given Metrolinx's seeming need/want for separation to Don Mills, I hope it will happen.
 
andrewpmk said:
If Metrolinx doesn't change the design to put the light rail on the south side, or build a grade separated interchange (like Bayview/Lawrence?) with the light rail in the middle, then the only remaining option is to ban left turns at this intersection. I don't think this would be a popular choice at all.
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Yes, I'm aware that the current design will likely result in LRT delays at Leslie.

My point is that in order to eliminate this problem we do not need to build a tunnel (under a ravine, no less!), but merely to move the ROW to the side of the street. A similar change was made on the west end, where initially the line would have run in the median through Black Creek Drive. But the new design puts it on the north side of the street, with a bridge over Black Creek Drive. On the south side of Eglinton at Leslie, a bridge (or tunnel) would not be needed since there is no road to cross.
 
reaperexpress said:
Yes, I'm aware that the current design will likely result in LRT delays at Leslie.

My point is that in order to eliminate this problem we do not need to build a tunnel (under a ravine, no less!), but merely to move the ROW to the side of the street. A similar change was made on the west end, where initially the line would have run in the median through Black Creek Drive. But the new design puts it on the north side of the street, with a bridge over Black Creek Drive. On the south side of Eglinton at Leslie, a bridge (or tunnel) would not be needed since there is no road to cross.
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Maybe Metrolinx should install a "Michigan left". This means that u turn ramps are put eastbound just west of Don Mills and westbound just east of Brentcliffe, and left turns are banned at Leslie.
 
reaperexpress said:
Yes, I'm aware that the current design will likely result in LRT delays at Leslie.

My point is that in order to eliminate this problem we do not need to build a tunnel (under a ravine, no less!), but merely to move the ROW to the side of the street. A similar change was made on the west end, where initially the line would have run in the median through Black Creek Drive. But the new design puts it on the north side of the street, with a bridge over Black Creek Drive. On the south side of Eglinton at Leslie, a bridge (or tunnel) would not be needed since there is no road to cross.
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It is quite annoying that the same thing was done in the West end and the public fully supported it and there were no complaints. Why did they not do the same thing in the East end is beyond me. Maybe is was a "screw you Rob Ford" decision just to prove that Metrolinx is in charge of the project.
 
If I were to say that the Gardiner was to be rehabilitated so save money, most would view that as a good thing. If the rehabilitation was to cost 90% to 95% of the cost of replacing the whole thing - I would say rehabilitation is a terrible idea.

For Eglinton, if someone says that they want to built a median LRT along Eglinton and an SRT in a raliway right-of-way to save money - again most would say that is a good idea. If the in-median LRT would actually cost 90% to 95% of the cost of a fully grade-separated transit line - I would say that the in-median LRT is a terrible idea.
 
Wait, why isn't the LRT on the south side at Leslie+Eglinton? If it's going to be above grade, that just seems like really really obvious planning.
 
WislaHD said:
Wait, why isn't the LRT on the south side at Leslie+Eglinton? If it's going to be above grade, that just seems like really really obvious planning.
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Make sure to attend and COMMENT on putting the Leslie section on the south side at the NEXT meeting. This meeting includes the Leslie stop. See this link:

Metrolinx invites you to attend a meeting for information on preliminary station and stop designs for the Eglinton Crosstown project.

The meeting will cover preliminary station and stop designs from Laird Drive to Wynford Drive, as well as information on the future construction of a tunnel boring machine launch shaft that will be located east of Brentcliffe Road.


Date:
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Wednesday, November 6th, 2013
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Time:​
6:30 p.m. – 9:00 p.m.​
Location:​
Noor Cultural Centre
123 Wynford Dr, North York, ON
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The meeting will be in an open house format, and will begin at 6:30 p.m. with an opportunity to view displays and speak one-on-one with staff.
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