[TheTigerMaster]

Thing is that there are almost no intercepting bus routes along Don Mills. the only riders along the corridor are using the Don Mills bus, and no riders would really be intercepted. Don Mills north of Eglinton is almost exclusively a local corridor, and would be just as well served by LRT as subway. The Don Mills LRT should interline with Eglinton anyway, as well as Jane. (instead of 1/2 the trains turning back, 1/2 would go up don mills)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Some of the TTCs most used routes cross Don Mills or would likely connect to a Don Mills Subway (daily ridership):

York Mills -25,000
Finch East - 44,000
Lawrence East -36,000
Don Mills - 38,000
Sheppard (soon LRT)- 44,000
Steeles East - 28,000

This is more than we see on the Spadina Subway, where the only routes moving more than 10,000 people are
Finch (Soon LRT) - 44,000
Sheapprd West -15,000
Steeles West - 29,800
Wilson - 25,000
Lawrence East - 23,000
York University Rocket - 20,000

If these numbers are any indication, a Don Mills subway would be extremely successful. Even more so than the Spadina Subway.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Some of the TTCs most used routes cross Don Mills or would likely connect to a Don Mills Subway (daily ridership):

York Mills -25,000
Finch East - 44,000
Lawrence East -36,000
Don Mills - 38,000
Sheppard (soon LRT)- 44,000
Steeles East - 28,000

This is more than we see on the Spadina Subway, where the only routes moving more than 10,000 people are
Finch (Soon LRT) - 44,000
Sheapprd West -15,000
Steeles West - 29,800
Wilson - 25,000
Lawrence East - 23,000
York University Rocket - 20,000

If these numbers are any indication, a Don Mills subway would be extremely successful. Even more so than the Spadina Subway.

Don Mills should be going to Steeles IMO.

 

[Adjei]

It should stop at Seneca College, any push further up and you have York Region demanding it go to Highway 7.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

It should stop at Seneca College, any push further up and you have York Region demanding it go to Highway 7.

I agree and disagree...I want cars of the road, you do to right? But at the same, this is supposed to about the residents of TORONTO not Markham, Thornhill and Richmond Hill.

 

[diminutive]

I agree and disagree...I want cars of the road, you do to right? But at the same, this is supposed to about the residents of TORONTO not Markham, Thornhill and Richmond Hill.

Capital projects in the GTA are almost entirely funded by the Province... The TTC is subsidized by Toronto tax payers, yes, but the bulk of that subsidy goes to feeder and surface routes that operate in Toronto.

As for where it would end, I'd like to see the line terminate in the Buttonville redevelopment. The 404/407 area is a big employment area, and that's projected to be a really large development. Makes sense to provide transit to it.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Capital projects in the GTA are almost entirely funded by the Province... The TTC is subsidized by Toronto tax payers, yes, but the bulk of that subsidy goes to feeder and surface routes that operate in Toronto.

As for where it would end, I'd like to see the line terminate in the Buttonville redevelopment. The 404/407 area is a big employment area, and that's projected to be a really large development. Makes sense to provide transit to it.

That's a long subway line you want. And yes you are right about funding but, many people in Toronto are still under served by any type of rapid transit while RHC will get a one seat ride downtown.

 

[Canadian Chocho]

Well do you think the ridership north of Eglinton justifies a subway on Don Mills to Finch? Because I can tell you many people would switch to a Don Mills Finch station rather then RHC(in the future) so the ridership that is there now could increase.

This. In fact the Viva Green already goes to the subway at Don Mills, but it isn't very popular because it doesn't go directly downtown. Thats why the Viva Pink exists, which catches all the Markham commuters along Hwy 7 and goes along Yonge to get to Ficnh Sation. If you had a subaway going downtown from Don Mills, I'd bet A LOT of people wuld just go there instead of getting to the Yonge line.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Scarborough subway will probably become the main subway point for Markham after it opens, and they Yonge subway will be prefered if it gets extended unless the DRL goes all the way to highway 7. (which will be very, very, very far out)

Really they should be using Stouffville GO.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Scarborough subway will probably become the main subway point for Markham after it opens, and they Yonge subway will be prefered if it gets extended unless the DRL goes all the way to highway 7. (which will be very, very, very far out)

Really they should be using Stouffville GO.

I saw one proposal with yonge going to Major Mac on both sides. Vaughan wanted to extend the Spadina line to Jane/Major Mac, I saw it in the star about 5 years ago. Also another fake map on here had the Yonge line going to Major Mac. Again though, I want to spread the Yonge ridership out among newer north South line. The VCC extension, we can all admit, is not enough.


I personally think the Yonge line should be expanded to 4 tracks.

 

[skylyte]

I saw one proposal with yonge going to Major Mac on both sides. Vaughan wanted to extend the Spadina line to Jane/Major Mac, I saw it in the star about 5 years ago. Also another fake map on here had the Yonge line going to Major Mac. Again though, I want to spread the Yonge ridership out among newer north South line. The VCC extension, we can all admit, is not enough.


I personally think the Yonge line should be expanded to 4 tracks.

Yonge and Major Mac would be a great terminus for the Yonge extension. It would allow for the development of the Hillcrest Mall lands and that plaza across the street. A VIVA BRT linking the two lines (Yonge and Spadina) via Major Mac would probably be busy early on and would allow Richmond HIll to develop a true downtown like Markham, Vaughan and MCC.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Yonge and Major Mac would be a great terminus for the Yonge extension. It would allow for the development of the Hillcrest Mall lands and that plaza across the street. A VIVA BRT linking the two lines (Yonge and Spadina) via Major Mac would probably be busy early on and would allow Richmond HIll to develop a true downtown like Markham, Vaughan and MCC.

That trip, although one seat, would be over an hour, when you could drive that in 35 minutes.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

They wouldn't be 'ignored,' they'd be within a 5-10m bus ride of two rapid transit stations. Compared to the status quo of having to bus to Y/Eg or Pape that's a huge improvement.

Serving Flemingdon directly would add hundreds of millions to the cost of the project. If you divide that over the small number of riders who would benefit from it, it's an extremely expensive proposition.

Having reviewed the DRTES, Flemingdon Station is expected to attract 500 boardings and 100 exits in AM peak hour. That gives it less than half the ridership of the next smallest station (Thorncliffe) and would make it one of the least well used stations on the TTC. I personally don't think it's worth adding capital costs (longer route, more stations, more difficult to run at grade) and slowing down other trips (worse transfer, slower speed) to serve such a small rider base. These people would still befit hugely from Don Mills and Thorncliffe stations being short bus rides away, to.

Can you back this up?

Not that I don't trust you but I'm shocked it would be that low considering how many massive apartment complexes are in the area and the significant population of low-income new immigrants that live there who you would think would be most likely to commute by public transit.



As for where the DRL should end, I'm kinda hoping for Lawrence/Don Mills, or at least an extension to Lawrence be planned soon after completion of the DRL.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Why Lawrence and Don Mills? That's such a random place to end it. For this extension to have any significant value it needs to go to at least Sheppard or Finch.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Can you back this up?

Not that I don't trust you but I'm shocked it would be that low considering how many massive apartment complexes are in the area and the significant population of low-income new immigrants that live there who you would think would be most likely to commute by public transit.



As for where the DRL should end, I'm kinda hoping for Lawrence/Don Mills, or at least an extension to Lawrence be planned soon after completion of the DRL.

Why Lawrence and Don Mills? That's such a random place to end it. For this extension to have any significant value it needs to go to at least Sheppard or Finch.

Don Mills and Steeles. Let's get this done right the first time.

 

[Adjei]

There is nothing at Don Mills and Steeles, it's just a random place to end a subway line.