Videodrome
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This from a debate with Elliott.
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This from a debate with Elliott.
King of Kensington
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Brown has a 100% social conservative voting record but he sounds more like an opportunist who will say anything to win.
Videodrome
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MikePMoffatt/status/594627408172486657/photo/1
So Monte McBigot, who is endorsing Patrick Brown, released this foolish drivel. It is straight out homophobia and now Brown has disowned it.
http://www.subwaytodamascus.com/2015/05/monte-mcnaughton-rips-christine-elliott.html?m=1
So Monte McBigot, who is endorsing Patrick Brown, released this foolish drivel. It is straight out homophobia and now Brown has disowned it.
http://www.subwaytodamascus.com/2015/05/monte-mcnaughton-rips-christine-elliott.html?m=1
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King of Kensington
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Former candidate Monte McNaughton releases this foolish drivel:
http://www.subwaytodamascus.com/2015/05/monte-mcnaughton-rips-christine-elliott.html?m=1
http://www.subwaytodamascus.com/2015/05/monte-mcnaughton-rips-christine-elliott.html?m=1
Videodrome
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christiesplits
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This is the sort of Octob..urgh "May" surprise that could sink the Brown team. Homophobic and sexist, and could embolden the Elliot team in getting out the vote.
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Videodrome
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http://www.cp24.com/news/pcs-rally-behind-elliott-as-leadership-race-nears-end-1.2358049
Most of the party is behind Elliott after McBigot's nonsense.
Most of the party is behind Elliott after McBigot's nonsense.
CDL.TO
Moderator
That last thing I want to do is defend Brown or McNaughton, but is this really a homophobic comment? Pink has long been used as a political pejorative for someone who is perceived as being too left-wing. It was used in direct reference to Elliott stating that she wanted a blue (conservative) tent. I remember when Ernie Eves was followed around by a guy in a Pink Panther suit.
Is there something I'm missing that clarifies that the comment was made in a homophobic manner, rather than typical, expected political hyperbole?
Is there something I'm missing that clarifies that the comment was made in a homophobic manner, rather than typical, expected political hyperbole?
nfitz
Superstar
Reading the curriculum, there is little in there that wasn't there, when I took Sex Ed back when Bill Davis was Premier. They certainly mentioned masturbation during the 1970s (I remember, as recall being surprised that my little secret was not actually a secret, after whatever mandatory 1950s Sex Ed film was shown
)So what's changed? Discussion of social media. No one seems to think that is a bad thing.
And mentions that homosexuality exists (back in the 1970s, we found out by watching Billy Crystal on Soap). I really don't know how you avoid it in school these days ... I'm aware of a couple of same-sex parents in my daughter's grade one class ... and I've hardly been counting.
So it's hard to see how opposing this curriculum isn't anything except homophobia.
Patrick Brown has certainly made it clear in the past that he is homophobic. Not sure if McNaughton has or not ... but I haven't bothered to check.
Given how similar the new curriculum is to the old curriculum, and to the curriculum of the Big Blue machine, I don't see how any Conservative politician could oppose it, without raising some huge questions.
I'm relieved that Eilliot has the morals to not turn this into an wedge issue. Though I think the Conservatives would do better in 2018 under Elliot, than under Brown if he were to make this an issue.
I doubt Brown has much of a chance. He might have got a lot of people to sign up to the party, however his support was mostly in a few ridings, and the leadership vote is normalized so that each riding has equal weighting in.
Interesting that we'll have 3 female leaders in the next election. I wonder if that will change the tone any.
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Videodrome
Senior Member
Mr McBigot openly said that Wynne shouldn't be premier because she is gay. Nuff said...
doady
Senior Member
That is about economics. I don't know how you can look at McNaughton's letter and think he is talking about economic issues. He is obviously referring to homosexuality, not communism. The entire email he criticizes Elliott's stance on the new sex-ed program. It has nothing to do with economics.
CDL.TO
Moderator
But "pinko" isn't about economics. It's a pejorative thrown at anyone who is perceived as being too left-wing in general. It's mentioned in direct contrast to "blue tent".
The full quote is: "Ms. Elliott should rename her tent the “Little Red Tent”, or “Little Pink Tent.”". Note the use of "red tent" as well.
The opposition to the new curriculum is shameful and is clearly rooted in ignorance, but I'm still not seeing a reason to jump to accusations of homophobia.
Is this a dogwhistle that I simply can't hear?
The full quote is: "Ms. Elliott should rename her tent the “Little Red Tent”, or “Little Pink Tent.”". Note the use of "red tent" as well.
The opposition to the new curriculum is shameful and is clearly rooted in ignorance, but I'm still not seeing a reason to jump to accusations of homophobia.
Is this a dogwhistle that I simply can't hear?
nfitz
Superstar
Good grief. Really?
Well that's sets the tone for his comment then. I guess the hard-core Conservatives have exposed themselves for what they really are.
Kudos to Elliot for not playing that kind of game. Perhaps there is hope for a decent right-wing alternative in a future election rather than another Harris or Hudak.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I think the very fact that he showed up to support protests where those involved are putting forth ridiculous and disgusting posters and banners spoke enough about his stance. Everyone knows that written words will be parsed, and frankly it's one's actions that is more telling.
AoD
AoD
CDL.TO
Moderator
I agree. Let's criticize his stance, his opinions, and his involvement in these ignorance-based protests. There's plenty to criticize without having to resort to looking for hidden meanings.
That's horrifying, but I looked and couldn't find any quote. Do you have a source?